from Press Conference
Part 1 | 5:17
Part 2 | 5:51
Weisner bypassed the city council after receiving a report from Kane County State's Attorney John Barsanti that no laws were broken, but Barsanti made it clear he was only speaking of laws of which he has juridiction:
"I offer no opinions on matters of which I have no authority or jurisdiction,"
-John Barsanti, Kane County State's Attorney
***NOTE: Barsanti ONLY reviewed questions of CRIMINAL CONDUCT, not whether or not there was any violation of any ordinances, land use or zoning.
>Barsanti's Opinion | Luetkehan's Report | Marten's Report (pdf's)
>Supporting Documents (pdf's) | Tab 1 | Tab 2 | Tab 3 | Tab 4 | Tab 5
Tab 6 | Tab 7 | Tab 8 | Tab 9 | Tab 10 | Tab 11 | Tab 12
Tab 13 | Tab 14 | Tab 15 | Tab 16 | Tab 17 | Tab 18
>Weisner's Statement:
Last month, serious questions were raised about whether Gemini Office Development and Planned Parenthood were forthcoming in their dealings with the city and followed all local laws. As Mayor, I felt that I had a responsibility to the citizens of Aurora to investigate those allegations and with the support of the City Council initiated three independent reviews of the process.
Earlier today, Kane County State’s Attorney John Barsanti cleared Planned Parenthood and Gemini Office Development of criminal wrongdoing. Both the Martens and Luetkehans reports indicate that Gemini and Planned Parenthood misrepresented certain tenant information. However, their reports also indicate that this is not a sufficient basis to deny an occupancy permit.
The Luetkehans report found that while a medical clinic is a permitted use for that property, medical clinics are excluded from performing major surgeries under the City of Aurora’s zoning definitions. Based on a review of this finding, the city has contacted Planned Parenthood for clear written assurance that only minor surgeries as defined by the Luetkehans report would be performed at this facility.
Over the last few weeks, the City of Aurora has been inundated with thousands of phone calls, letters and requests from people who feel passionately about the abortion issue. As elected officials, we are sworn to uphold the law regardless of our personal, emotional or even religious beliefs. Based on the opinions of these three attorneys, the City of Aurora has no legal basis to deny Planned Parenthood an occupancy certificate and thus the Building and Permits Division will move forward with issuing Planned Parenthood an occupancy certificate.
-Steve Trombley, Planned Parenthood Chicago
-Eric Scheidler, Pro-Life Action League
***FALLOUT:
...(updated) Legal action will be initiated to counter city's action.
...Sources say Planned Parenthood knew about Weisner's decision before city council.
...Weisner and staff kept reports away from city council until just before press conference; city council "blindsided" by announcement and Weisner's unilateral action.
...Some are calling for investigation into Weisner, Weingartz and Wiet's roles, including any "criminal" conduct and conflicts-of-interest.
...crowd outside city hall accuses Weisner of betrayal of bringing findings to council to deliberate in an open manner, saying "we want justice" and demands Weisner "come out of hiding."
...Luetkehans reports reveals City of Aurora attempted to rush investigation despite promises to the contrary and city staff failed to provide all requested documents to him.
...Luetkehans report also differentiates between "minor" and "major" surgeries and states major surgeries would require special-use permit, but Planned Parenthood's attorneys failed to provide a response to his inquiry about the type of abortions that would be performed.
...(updated) Planned Parenthood is planning to open (for now) at 10am on Tuesday with a press conference. A prayer vigil will start at 9:30am at ground zero. Planned Parenthood will not have their rally at 4pm on Tuesday as originally scheduled.
***MEDIA REVIEW:
CBS 2 (Mon afternoon) | CBS 2 (Mon night)
ABC 7 | NBC 5 | CBS 2 (Tue morn)
202 comments:
1 – 200 of 202 Newer› Newest»O hoe I wish this were the old west.
Showdown at Sundown and we would be rid of this loser!
Technically since Barsanti is the Kane County States Atorney and not the Dupage County States Atorney where the clinic might exist he has NO Jurisdiction at all !
BRING ON THE LAW SUITS!
There was never a question of criminal conduct. Barsanti didn't even review whether they violated ordinances so Weisner is full of it and this was just a ploy to be able to say "see, they didn't do anything wrong."
looks like the mayor tried the ol bate and switch here gang. To bad it won't work and he will now waste millions more of out money on lawsuit defense. Isn't it bad enough that this bozo spends are money like water, now he acts like a big moron that he is and it is going to cost us millions in legal fees.
Nice Move Mayor!
Weisner is the one being deceptive.
I hope the pro-life group files a federal lawsuit and asks for an injunction against the city and PP.
When did Weisner know about this report and who the hell does he think he is to bypass the city council?
Weisner committed political suicide today. Nobody in Aurora is going to fall for this.
10/1/07 6:22 PM
Wrong. The majority of Aurora in incorparated as a Home Rule in Kane, not DuPage.
10/1/07 6:24 PM
Wrong, everything he investigated were city ordinances.
PP knew they were going to be able to open before the city council and public thanks to Weisner.
Weisner is a fraud.
People, This ain't over and when it is Weiner boy won't even be able to walk down the street without people throwing tomatoes at him in disgust!
He sure accomplished his goal he will go down in history alright. But as the biggest ediot that has ever held elected office in Illinois and with our govenors and Daley that is saying a lot.
Weisner only by-passed the city council in saying he would show them the reports first. The way the current system is set up, his office is the issuing authority, not the city council. Bad move to not show the aldermen the reports first? Yes. Was obliged to do so under currentform of city government? No.
I also find the timing of the post by the beacon as very interesting seems they new stuff and had pre printed web post even prior to the alderman knowing anything. I also heard that the PP building had many large deliveries today based on insider knowledge prior to it going public.
Maybe it is time to investigate Barsanti. There is always that Shodeen / Barsanti connection.
This whole city is corrupt!
Barsanti is very corrupt look what he did last october!
Weisner is a fraud. He is a self-serving pig. Planned Parenthood /Personal PAC funnelled money to him and this is his payback. Condemming Aurora for eternity with this abortion palace.
10/1/07 6:31 PM
I doubt that they had pre-information. No body, even Weisner and Barsanti trust that media source. With that said, it took HOURS for open line to even post this! Some people need to back off on the conspiracy crap!
This whole thing reaks of political corruption. The FBI should investigate.
6:33
Spoken like a true conspirator!
I asked my alderman and they said the documents where held from them until 20 after 2. Many alderman still are just finding out about Weiner boys crap that he pulled. I venture a guess that at least one still doesn't know.
Seriously, U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald and the FBI should be reviewing this ENTIRE fiasco, including how Barsanti got involved and Barack Obama issued a statement about PP, apparently already knowing the results of the investigation, too.
I'm not even pro-life and could care less about the abortion issue. I am watching my city's integrity disintegrate before my eyes.
I encourage EVERYONE to show up at the next city council meeting and demand Tom Weisner, Alayne Weingartz and Bill Wiet's resignations.
Weisner has no right to conclude anything other than provide the reports to the city council to determine in an OPEN manner how to proceed.
10/1/07 6:33 PM
I have never been a fan of the current Mayor. But he more and more I hear some people on this blog rant about him, the more and more I am obliged to support him. The fact is, in this issue, there was no criminal wrong-doing found and the mayor and the city government HAVE TO LEGALLY follow through on the issuance of a permit. You folks CAN NOT have your cake and eat it! If you do not like the process, elect someone who will actually work with the city council to change it. You folks have had many opportunities over the span of ten years to better your community, but instead you spend ALL of your time on infighting IN BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES and paying homage to the ole' boy system. Grow up!
I live near the clinic site and will have to live with this misery for years to come. I would like to protest near Tom Weisner's house and see how he likes having the abortion issue so close to home.
10/1/07 6:38 PM
No! The process in place gives his office the authority after approval by the zonning commission to issue the permits. It is not set up under local law for anything to go back or in front of the council AT ALL! Pay attention!
10/1/07 6:34 PM
Thank you Rick Lawrence, I'll take that as a compliment... and I hope someone decides to run against you, because I will help them kick your freakness out of city hall.
The issue was never about criminal conduct. They LIED on permits and applications and violated our city's rules. It may not be a "crime" for any criminal statute, but they clearly broke our CITY rules and laws.
I know Tom Weisner pretty well and he was desperate to find a solution to this that would allow PP to open. This was the excuse he needed. Let Barsanti say there isn't any "criminal" wrongdoing.
Nobody should be fooled by Weisner's stunt today. He's got blood on his hands.
10/1/07 6:41 PM
But three lawyers said not to the extent of being criminal or actionable.
10/1/07 6:44 PM
I am also pretty sure that Barsanti is Pro-life
I think we all need Papa Smurf to come in and save us all from ourselves!
Barsanti never concluded PP didn't do anything wrong. He ONLY said there weren't any criminal statutes violated. That was never the question.
It's all a scam again. Weisner's biggest accomplishments are being a scam artist from the drive-in theater to this.
Prayer vigil at clinic site tonight at 8:30pm.
10/1/07 6:57 PM
Great! Can I bring my Satanic Cult to join the rest of the G_dless folks protesting?
Ya know, where is Juan Thomas when you need him! I say, Juan for Mayor! Kick this idiot out!
Weisner? What makes you think most if not all the Council was in on this? I have posted several times that alder'people'- specifically Steffy and Ricky- came out in favor of this phony "investigation" simply as CYA. As hard left liberals they could care less about killing babies in their backyard.
10/1/07 7:36 PM
Lawrence? A hard left liberal? Please. Kifowit I can see, but not seriously. Cover up? Not. Kifowit is all for getting crack out of the community and obviously YOU are smoking it!
10/1/07 7:36 PM
Well, we can settle it by getting a court order under Barsanti do dig up their backyards to find your whore sisters' aborted fetal remains there in...
King Weisner must be recalled or otherwise thrown out as our mayor. He has overstepped his authority.
All you foul-mouthed baby killers may not like it, but the genie is out of tyhe bottle now, scumbags!
There was no special zoning required. PP was not up front with the City, but that's not illegal. The Mayor needed to act quickly and proceed. He can't be checking with twelve people before he makes every important decision. Get serious folks, like it or not, there was no way to stop this.
10/1/07 8:29 PM
Thank you! And all who are of a different ilk can move to Downers Grove, Naperville or some southern Illinois town like Bellville and try to indoctrinate those folks with your un-understanding of the law. PP is here; its a fact and as a Latino Catholic, I welcome them! Hopefully they will bring a teen out reach group to the area that will spare us from closed-minded local idiots who believe that sex doesn't happen among our kids and who are actually well-equipped to help them make REAL choices as opposed to dogmatic small-minded choices the highly vocal few would have them follow into early parenthood and destitute.
I think it would be interesting to know how many actual women are blogging on the Planned Parenthood issue. After all, we ARE talking about them. Right?
I guess, but what is a woman without a man?
Shame on you Mr Weisner,
You were given a chance to make a positive difference in our community.
A chance to send a message to the youth of the city that adults will fight for life from conception to natural death.
Aurora will now join Downers Grove, Glen Ellyn, Hinsdale and Wood Dale by having the blood of innocent babies in our community.
It isnt enough that we have senseless gang murders to deal with. We will now be dealing with the senseless, brutal killing of tiny human beings.
You have helped to make DuPage county the abortion capital of Illinois, possibly in the U.S.
I truly cannot understand how any person who had anything to do with this abortion mill opening can find peace enough with themselves to sleep at night.
May God have mercy on all of us.
Weisner is a coward. Watching the Abortion Ladies (all two of them who had a dude along with for good measure) literally cheering, gleefully that their precious clinic would open made me want to puke. Are you happy honey? You can start aborting babies now! Isn't it great?
Weisner has committed political suicide, every single yellow sign (and there are THOUSANDS of them in town) represent many many votes against him and the other council members who failed to stand up to this hippy hold over. And the aldermen can take that as a "threat" if they want to, but it is our RIGHT to vote out those with whom we disagree. Threat? Maybe. Promise? You bet you ass.
I detest Weisner, but he made the correct decision here. Two attorneys determined that PP's omissions did not result in a material misrepresentation that would negate the temporary occupance permit nor prohibit the issuance of a permanent occupancy permit. The State's Attorney determined that no criminal acts occurred; that means no fraud.
The City Council has no voice in the occupancy permit process. The Mayor is the proper authority to issue the permit.
The anti-choice groups can try to sue, but I do not know how they will obtain standing. If they file, and their suit is dismissed, the city can recover all its legal costs from them.
9:41 I've seen maybe fifty signs, most of them posted illegally in the parkway. So if the signs mean thousands of voters, I guess no signs means hundreds of thousands of voters in support of choice. Yes, I am pro-choice and I and my family vote. I do not wish to force my religious beliefs on others. My God says "Judge not, lest ye be judged."
9:51, spare me. I have helped distribute these signs--phones ringing off the hook, people requesting them by the armload--and I can attest that there are thousands of them placed LEGALLY throughout this city. I have not seen one placed illegally, though I do not deny that one or two may have been.
I never said anything about forcing my religious beliefs on you. I happen to believe that murder is wrong, and I can come to that conclusion on my own, without referring to any religious dogma.
And the lamest of all is the whole "judge not" thing... Always taken out of context and used by deviants, perverts as well as upstanding types like yourself no doubt, to justify all sorts of horrible acts. I can absolutely make judgments, what I cannot do, according to "My God" (and since you're quoting Him I assume you at least pay some marginal homage to Him) is to judge 1) the heart of someone else or 2) apply a standard of judgment to another that I do not apply to myself. I am doing neither so save your "judge not" cop out for some other post.
10/1/07 9:41 PM
Thousands of yellow signs my ass! There isn't even a thousand people that get out to vote in a ward for city elections! And also, many signs were put up by land lords in renters yards without the renter's ok.... that is a serious vilaltion of tenant landlord law!
10/1/07 10:03 PM
"I have not seen one placed illegally, though I do not deny that one or two may have been."
You are a criminal! You lie! You are G_dless! I have worked in politics for years in Aurora and KNOW about the whole issue and PR crap behind placing signs!
Give me a break, you folks are breaking the law!
You come into my neighborhood and do that crap, I will put up a thousand pink signs LEGALLY to just piss you off... and I'm NOT pro Planned Parenthood!
You and others like your are criminal and deserve to go to jail.
10/1/07 9:46 PM
And the city SHOULD sue for recorvery money! It is our tax dollars having to defend government! Has PP sued the city thus far and made them pay legal folks to defend them? Or, is it just the weirdo transplants from downstate doing their "business" here?
10/1/07 6:43 PM
¿Tu eres su novio de colo?
What law are people breaking? Regular citizens have requested signs and placed them in their yards. All over town. On every street. Have you driven down Galena, Downer, Garfield, Hardin, Fifth, Fourth, etc, etc, etc?
Perfect distribution? Every single one up to code? No way to know, and clearly "codes" are meant to be bent around these parts... I can tell you that there would be many more of them if abortion enthusiasts weren't going around swiping them.
10/1/07 10:18 PM
Yeah, mine got stollen off of Elmhurst... It was pink? Do you think PP stole it? My son's digital camera says otherwise (car with pro-life pumper sticker, Wisc. Lic. plate)...
I saw Tommy on tv today, it's about time he knew what a comb was for. Finally he decided to take care of that mop on top of his head. What a loser.
Call your state senator and representative and represent the Parental notification act. At least try to save the innocent through parental responsiblity
Let's have a sign competition.
Each side sponsors a sign for $10.
$8 for each sign goes to the East Side School District towards a funded school bus program. Whoever funds the most busses get the busses to be either yellow or pink (no logos though).
10/1/07 10:25 PM
Huh? Are you that stupid and uninformed? Do u have a clue about the '95 Parental Notification Law under review by the courts? Also, there is NO pending state legislation on this issue.
DUMP PUMPKIN!
To the "prayer warrior" who drives a red pickup truck that was outfitted with signs on both sides and the back of your truck with the most horrific dead baby photos you should be ashamed of yourself. Yesterday I saw a dozen kids at Blockbuster just start crying when you drove by trying to pick up your wife I am assuming. You are a pathetic human being. I know I know all the protestors will say what about the aborted babies? The law is the law but to show that crap on your own car means you don't care about human life on the roads. How you haven't been pulled over for causing a disturbance is beyond me. I hope you get pulled over
10/1/07 10:23 PM
My mom survived cancer twice and was not up to par for the public. Despite the politician, have respect for cancer victimes my friend or I would pray G_d might exact an equal handicap upon you. Be nice, not vicious.
10/1/07 10:34 PM
Was the guy in the red pick up cute? Will he be my man? Because only a REAL man would show his emotions like that, like the real woman that he is.
Now I can tell my children that in Aurora, it's okay to lie to city officials.
Lie on applications.
Lie on permits.
Lie to the mayor.
Lie to the corp counsel.
Lie to the police.
Lie to the water department.
Lie. We didn't need any lawyers when we have a bunch of liars running this city.
10/1/07 10:37 PM
NO WAY!
These republican lawyers aren't liars! You must be blinded by the rapture!
1036 He actually looked like a older thinner Weisner. He was easily over 60 years old and his wife close to that age. The pro lifers would have double the support they have if they got rid of the signs. But they don't understand that.
10/1/07 10:43 PM
Ah, but at least they are working two by two. Imagine if the mormans were here... it would be one by eight under age wives and the Crisis Pregnancy Centers would be in trouble with the law for not reporting stuatorial rape.
Hey, Rick L. here, back from the Roundhouse... here things are hopping here...
Hey, do you folks have any Mosques here? Just interested to know if you backwards, 2nd cousin reproducing white trash backwoods hicks have tried to kick them out yet as well?
Hey, what happened to that one guy, Trombley? Isn't he with that guy from the pro life action league?
Do you folks ever watch televsion?
It is all sex, murder and violence.
We live in a advertising, free market culture. You folks are bizarre. Welcome to reality. I guess it is the typical angry response to be expected.
Don't forget lie to mommy and daddy.
10/1/07 8:29 PM
If you are truly Catholic, then I suggest you goto confession straight away, and then talk to your priest since you are obviously not in fellowship with the teachings of the church, and I'd like to see you getting in line with your church, otherwise they might excommunicate you (both to protect themselves and to serve as a wakeup call to you)
Now onto other things, what the Mayor did today was despicable. Plain and simple.
Please note the footer at the bottom of the Memo from Phillip A Luetkehans.
“Given the expedited time frame within which a report was due because of federal court litigation, this report is a summary of our findings and research. We have not yet received all the information requested from City staff …. ” (emphasis added)
Now didn't the Mayor promise the public that this would not be rushed?
Here is the video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ7J_59XOpE
Weisner and Weingartz should answer, under oath, exactly when they learned Planned Parenthood might be bringing a clinic to Aurora.
If Weisner knew prior to July 26, 2007 when it broke in the news, then he should resign.
See what Planned Parenthood does to a community? It's divides us and creates anger & hostility, name calling, etc.... I haven't seen this much potty language over this issue until after today's events unfolded. And to you, Dear Mayor Weisner, I can't believe that a man who devoted many years to helping others and for also having raised a handicapped son (my condolences on his passing - sincerely)that you don't have the desire to support the right-to-life cause.
And, also Dear Mayor, if it is true that you received blood money for this clinic, I pray to God to have mercy on your soul.
10/2/07 2:04 AM
The fact that you would even envoke the passing of someone's child in this thread is totally par for the course with you G_dless anti-choice, bigots! Yet again, this horrible right wing rhetoric has made me reconsider my stance in the GOP and has now totally pushed me in to the Weisner camp.
Newaurora-10/2/07 12:02 AM
We do not get the referenece here about 8:29 needing to be excommunicated?
"NewAurora said...
10/1/07 8:29 PM
Anonymous said...
There was no special zoning required. PP was not up front with the City, but that's not illegal. The Mayor needed to act quickly and proceed. He can't be checking with twelve people before he makes every important decision. Get serious folks, like it or not, there was no way to stop this."
It was all a shame by Weisner to put the clinic opening on someone elses back. Defer the responsibility and throw his hands up and say, I fought it, but the lawyer found no wrong doing, so I have no choice but to allow them to open. He knew it was coming, but was surprised at the out cry.
Now Aurora really is "Murder City"!
Nice legacy to take to Florida with him...
10/2/07 7:06 AM
He is limited to what he can do within the letter of the law. If he can not persue PP, then he can not persue PP and must issue the opperating permit. If he did not, I guarnatee someone would come along and sue your little piss ant city for every dime it has and it would be a worse crap whole white supremists filled garbage dump than it already is!
My word folks, is it the tap water or what? You Aurorans really are the dumbest folks in Illinois!
Maybe they can open a PP clinic in Mexico.
Hey, I wasn't at all referring to cancer. Weisner hasn't combed his hair in years. He's always looking like he just got outta bed. It's got nothin to do with cancer, he's lazy. It's about time, as Mayor, that he decided to comb his hair.
People need to check where their donations go like, United Way. Once you give the money away there is no choice who it gets funneled to, like demonrat organizations, such as planned un-parenthood.
You do need to find out were your money goes. One of the biggest donations to national Planned Parenthood comes from Paul Newman Foods. He has set his food company up to donate to his liberal causes #1 Planned Parenthood. So if you are against this do not buy Paul Newman Products
The police union and pro-life supporters should both protest together at the next city council meeting. Weisner will get "sick" again.
how weird. the corporation counsel who is supposed to be deal with LAW says lying is okay as long as it isn't "material."
next time you speak at a city council meeting and they ask for your name and address. just say "john doe" sine it isn't material.
Everyone should just lie to this mayor and corp counsel. That's the lesson I've learned.
PP is going to put a huge 40 foot banner saying they are open. That's really inappropriate. They should have some respect for this community but obviously they do not.
Maybe the clinic will be shut down with an injunction but even if that doesn't work, this seriously has lots of implications on everything from zoning law to how any city will handle a developer who misleads.
My guess is that a court will decide one way or another and THEN it will get appealed by the other side.
This could end up in the Illinois Supreme Court and possibly being consider by the U.S. Supremes.
The city has a very weak argument if they say its okay for someone to lie. The fact that it was an abortion clinic is very material or we wouldn't be having this discussion, right?
The city council should do one of those non-binding resolutions for or against the Planned Parenthood clinic so we know where each city council member stands when it comes to lying and deception.
Wait, opening it in Aurora is like opening one in Mexico. It is a "sister city", isn't it. Why didn't they put it downtown to better serve the community.
10/2/07 8:16 AM
Because Mexicans can't afford abortions, that's why there are so mnay in Aurora. Hey, where do you live? I'd like to sponsor a Mexican family to move in next door to you.
The picture in the Beacon news on Tuesday says it all. Wisner standing there looking confused while his "Three Stooges" pretend to be intelligent. I never knew what a loser he was till I saw the picture and watched the video posted here. And even if he doesnt run for a second term hes got a nice little retirement egg left over from the campaign chest. Ya gotta love this guy
Boy, funny how there are no PP employee posts today, huh?
Anyway, it astounds me as to how Weisner speaks of three attorney's findings..THERE WERE FOUR ATTORNEYS! The fourth was the one who would have welded those doors shut..funny how the truth gets ignored by Weisner...Thank God for the judicial system...seeya there, Weisner!!!
6:22
Then you really are a MORON!
Richard Hawks who loaned the mayor $25,000 and his wife Arlene are big supporters of PP. I guess Weisner just paid his loan off. Look at his campaign contributions it is still a open loan. He could care a less about the City. Mark my words he will not run again. He will move to Florida. Aurora will now have to defend law suit after law suit.
Schiedler says the people of Aurora were "betrayed". He's not from Auroa and he doesn't speak for anyone besides himself. His "job" is to harass people and impose his personal, religous beliefs on others. He's a Taliban wannabe, and a neo-fascist. Eric, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out of town.
9:25 AM,
Where have you been? Yes, Eric Sheidler IS an Aurora resident!!!
Get your facts straight & your head screwed back on...aborting babies is SICK!!!
Obviously Weisner takes alot heat here. But I'll give him credit for not kneeling to these "extremists". They can critize him all they want. The fact remains abortion is legal in the USA. If you don't like it, then start your own country somewhere else.
9:27 kma
Isn't a 40 foot banner in violation of some city ordance? Seems to me if this broke loose it could injure someone.
9:28 AM,
No, Weisner knelt down to the "almighty dollar" instead...yeah, real stand-up guy!
Y'all got what you voted for. Duh
9:28 AM,
No room to do that...your head is too far up it!!!
Hey! Weisner brought jobs to Aurora. Be grateful.
Hey I have my sign ready, maybe I can stand next to "red pu truck" dude, I had it made especially for the clinic protesters. It is a lovely photo of 2 of my favorite homosexuals engaged in what looks like some hard core anal sex. I call it art!
The religous extrmists lost their rulings. Ahh, too bad ! And now they're all full of hatred towards the Mayor. Ahh, too bad !!!
This is in Chapter 41 SIGNS of the City's ordinances:
Attention-getting device: Any pennant, valance, banner, searchlight, balloon, bare bulb-lighting, or similar device or ornamentation designed to attract attention.
(4) Attention-getting devices for grand openings.
a. Such signs shall be permitted only for the grand opening of the business at that particular location.
b. Permits for such signs shall be limited to thirty (30) days. Such signs shall be removed upon expiration of the permit.
(5) Attention-getting devices for special events.
a. Attention-getting devices may be used to promote community activities, holiday celebrations, carnivals, festivals, and parades.
b. Permits for such devices shall be limited to thirty (30) days prior to and one (1) day after the event being promoted.
c. Such devices which are over public property shall require a license pursuant to section 41-10(B) hereof, as well as a permit.
1) Stop trying to impose your personal beliefs on me and others. (2) Go back home and start trying to find a job. Folks around here don't like being dicatated to by a bunch of bums.
Soo did PP get the permit for the sign or not if so when did they get it when does it expire? Does the city know? Did the Whizzer and Winegartz aprove? Is the council aware? Awake? here? Will Barsanti investigate and approve in a rush rush manor? Will PP be sued when the sign breaks loose and causes great injury to someone? Gosh!
I read most of these comments in disgust.
The banner is a bad idea. You would think the City would take it upon themselves to "talk" with PP and discuss not flaunting this in the neighbors and concerned residents faces.
It is in extremely poor taste. Its an abortion clinic, no matter what side you are on it is not something that should be celebrated.
Wow, once again Aurora proves to the rest of Chicagoland what losers they are.
Sue the city, don’t try to improve. Aurora is the slums of Chicagoland and the residents are doing nothing to change that image.
So go ahead and put your efforts into the lawsuit and live in your little crap hole.
Way to go for all of you who voted for the idiot Weisner!!!! Waisting millions of dollars, shady business deals, bad media attention, and now he's going to raise taxes..You got what you asked for!
958am if you need help with that sign my wife and I will help paint it. The nerve that the red pickup truck guy puts that for kids to see is truly shameful. All you would hear is "but abortion isn't fair" well it may not be but that is why they should park that truck in front of the houses of politicians not the hardworking people of this town.
I do not get it. There has always been an abortion clinic in Aurora.
What is the difference today as opposed to yesterday(manner of speaking)? The last one was in an even worse spot. Abortion is legal. Why chastise Aurora for he acts of the Supreme Court? It would have been built regardless.
Does the Mayor of Aurora have the power to make abortions illegal in the USA ? All this hatred towards the Mayor is like watching a spoiled child throw a tantrum when he doesn't get his way. It's somewhat amusing.
Tell me people. How does Jack Kevorkian (Dr. Death) serve eight years in prison for assisted planned suicides, yet we can have PP clinics assist in planned suicides? Is society saying, we can murder babies but not the elderly? Isn't murder murder?
I don't get it.
10/2/07 12:20 PM
No, "murder" isn't murder. Or rather, not all killing is murder. Context matters.
10/2/07 9:03 AM
The so-called 4th attorney was not sanctioned by the city or the city concil.
10/2/07 9:27 AM
"From" and "libes in" are two different things. I would imagine the comment was from some one who was actually born here.
10/2/07 9:29 AM
Well at least if the banner broke loose and hurt you, u would be right next to a medical facility where they could help you... help tie your tubes so you won't have any kids as ignorant as you.
Eric Scheidler lives in Aurora and lived here prior to this PP travesty. A majority of Aurora & Naperville citizens who have answered polls in the local papers are against this "place" from being opened.
Police union dispute, Police moral lowest in history, Bigelow land scam, "national controversy involving Planned Parenthood!!", wifi not going so fast, fire hydrant safety problems, wild spending, massive tax increases, and the mult-million dollar Shodeen dump, WHATS WISNER THINKING"
Thats why Aurora is considered a dumping ground for other suburbs. We have the worst leadership in the Chicagoland area. Just watch a city council meeting, and watch who are the only alderman to stand up to Tommy and his BS!!!. Show up at the next city council meeting and show them that you are watching, I hear the police union also is going to protest Tommy and lies!!!!
10/2/07 9:58 AM
I'll pose for the sign ;)
10/2/07 1:27 PM
He might live here now, but he is a transplant from Chicago and a failed Christian.
Eric, you have let us ALL down! We will be praying for your soul!
Yes, abortion is legal, just as slavery and segregation and not allowing women to vote was at one time legal.
HOWEVER, lying on official government forms, be they city, county, state, or federal is fraud and illegal. By the city's reasoning, I can lie on my property tax forms, I can lie on my jury duty selection summons, and I can lie about my tax returns. Think again!
10/1/07 6:22 PM has it exactly right, the clinic is in DuPage Co, and PP's main offices are in Chicago. So you'd have to get Cook or DuPage to go after them (or Lisa M. - but she'd probably be more likely to go after Weisner and his stooges). Barsanti chose his words very carefully and made it known he was commenting on things he had jurisdiction over.
I am off to get yet another sign to display in my yard, since yet again, some pro-choice goons have made off with my sign. The security camera is pointed directly at the sign now and footage of anyone defacing or moving my sign will be turned into the APD and the perpetrators will have charges against them.
The reason it was filed in Kane County is because that is where City Hall is, and that is where the paperwork was filed.
12:20p
Yes murder is murder anyway you slice it or want to spin it. The difference is with the elderly it is consentual. Who speaks for the unborn child? Yet killing a unborn child is permissable.
All I can hope for is one day these baby killers get their just reward on judgement day.
1:27 PM
After that post, thousands will be praying for yours! God Bless Eric Sheidler...he's a real man..you know, one that stands up in what he believes in?? Agree or disagree with him, your post was pathetic.
1:27 PM
SORRY! I meant 2:03's post(sorry 1:27! It's been an emotionally draining day!) ...After that post, thousands will be praying for yours! God Bless Eric Sheidler...he's a real man..you know, one that stands up in what he believes in?? Agree or disagree with him, your post was pathetic.
10/2/07 2:23 PM
Just think what the City spent to give themselves cover and let the Clinic open!
Time to get over it and move on.
Aurora's Govt. is like Mexico's govt.- why do you think Mexicans feel so at home here.
Cock fighting, Dog fighting , Drugs & more drugs and pay to play elected officials.
So ya think any of the City Council members will say anything about all of this at tonights comittee meeting? Ya know maybe saying "Hey Mayor you overstepped and you did not keep your promise to the citizens of Aurora"I bet they wont. Bunch of saps.
10/2/07 2:18 PM:
"Who speaks for the unborn child?"
The mother, of course. Who else is qualified?
Out of curiosity, what do you think the legal punishment should be for women who get an abortion?
PP is acting arrogant by hanging that banner and showing how they are more interested in the political battle than caring about the neighborhood.
The Taliban would probably have the woman stoned to death.
Brian,
Any mother who chooses to abort (kill) their baby does NOT qualify to speak for that child. A mother willing to kill an unborn should suffer the consequences like any other 1st degree murderer, you dumbass.
Mel
Blogosphere is kicking the (Beacon) fishwrap's behind again on important information. Fishwrap didn't even mention in their article today the appeal to the zoning board.
Thanks Openline for the videos.
Mel:
So you'd put 1.25 million women in jail for 20 years minimum every year?
Or perhaps you'd want the maximum sentence? Death penalty or life imprisonment for just under 1% of the female population of the county every year?
Hmm...
"Family values" indeed.
10/2/07 3:01 PM
Laws against abortion prior to Roe v. Wade were enforced against the abortionist.
Many pro-life people have opened their homes and wallets to help pregnant girls/women have their children. I had a teenage Mom and her child live in my home for a number of months after she chose not to have an abortion. Like so many girls in her situation, she brought a bushel basket of problems with her. It's no walk through the flower garden. It's very hard work, but it was worth it.
How many of the so-called pro-choice folks help a desperate girl choose to have her baby? You're willing to support the cheap and easy choice to make the problem go away (and PP will charge her a few hundred for the privilege). Are you willing to make the difficult and self-sacrificing choice, instead of the easy and self-serving one? Are you willing to give her, freely, what is needed so that she has a real choice in the matter?
I thought not.
m00tpoint
To the slow looking man who is still holding a dead baby photo in front of the clinic this afternoon. The school bus thanks you for showing it to our children. I hope wish you the worst.
10/2/07 4:29 PM:
You are aware that PP offers low-cost pre-natal care, correct? That, birth control and sex education are the vast majority of the services they offer.
If it's no different than murder, as many other posters here indicate, why not enforce the punishment against the mother? We don't charge gunshop owners with murder while letting shooters get off.
And if you really think abortion is an "easy" choice...well, I'm not sure what to say.
PP is going to put a huge 40 foot banner saying they are open. That's really inappropriate. They should have some respect for this community but obviously they do not.
You're right. How inappropriate! They should totally put up a 40 foot banner with a picture of a bloody dead baby on it!
"The Taliban would probably have the woman stoned to death."
Are you suggesting the United States would be better off under Taliban rule? Or are you just condoning the violent murder of another human being?
Brian,
The penalty should be enforced against the abortionist, in part because he/she takes economic advantage of a girl or woman in a difficult situation. (If you think abortion is a non-profit business, I don't know what to say.)
I didn't say abortion is "easy" for a girl/woman. (However, the simple fact is it's easier, cheaper, and more convenient that having the baby. If having the abortion were harder, who would do it??)
However, my point was that being "pro-choice" is the easy way out for you. Instead of giving up your own money, time, lifestyle, etc. to help a pregnant woman/girl, you can pat yourself on the back because you "helped" her "choose" by making sure those self-centered, hypocritical, whatever-else pro-life people don't hassle her about the fact her baby is alive.
Please spare me the patronizing air of moral superiority. ("If you think abortion is an *easy* choice ..."). Just because a choice is "difficult" doesn't make it right.
Your position also happens to serve your own self-interest -- it excuses you from making any sacrifice to help the girl/woman who is pregnant. Purely coincidence, naturally.
I'll ask one more time -- what are you, personally, willing to do to make sure the girl/woman considering abortion has an actual choice? Doesn't giving her a real, genuine choice include making sure she has what she needs if she chooses not to abort her baby?
m00tpoint
m00tpoint:
"Economic advantage"? That's quite a dehumanizing opinion of women involved. Then again, that was the logic behind the recent Supreme Court decision on partial-birth abortion ("Women might be hurt by it, so we should protect them from themselves"), so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
You can assume I'm pro-choice because it gives me some magical economic advantage in terms of time spent, or makes it so I never have to contribute anything. You'd be wrong, but you can assume it.
"Your position also happens to serve your own self-interest -- it excuses you from making any sacrifice to help the girl/woman who is pregnant. Purely coincidence, naturally."
I'm guessing you say that about everyone who's pro-choice, since that's essentially all you know about me from my posts in this thread? I could make plenty of similarly ridiculous claims about pro-life people (That they actually just seek to deny women control of their reproduction due to misogyny, to start), but what purpose does that serve?
As I also mentioned, PP offers pre-natal care, which is a good step towards making sure women who decide to have their baby have a healthy one. Donating to PP helps support that goal.
I'd love to have infinite time, but most of my volunteer time currently goes into helping teach ESL classes, so you'll forgive me if I'm not simultaneously volunteering at Suicide Prevention Services, Planned Parenthood, Mutual Ground, CASA, and anything else you'd care to name.
Off to said classes now, actually, so I won't be around to respond for a while.
ps
Thank You Joan.
If PP has any morals they would not abort babies but encourage the mothers to give birth and put the babies up for adoption. There are many people who would love to adopt a child. That would be the right, proper and christian thing to do.
To 6:35 PM
The number of children in the foster care system is about 514,000.
Why are they not being adopted?
7:07
You imply now, and before, that the existence of 514,000 children in the state system is a reason for abortion. I have worked in residential homes for years and I can tell you that those children, irregardless of what they have been through, enjoy life and make life enjoyable for others. They may not enjoy a traditional upbringing but nonetheless they can still enjoy life.
How can cities stop Starbucks, McDonalds, Wal-Mart, etc. from opening in their towns but Aurora can't stop a abortion clinic from opening up in our city?
I'm with 7:07.
It's not a reason to "support" abortion, but it does draw attention to the fact that people run to any other place in the world to adopt, rather than take a child that is waiting in this country, mostly because they don't want a child with problems, learning disabilities, etc.
Oh yes, and most of these "loving couples" that want to adopt don't want an African-American child, no matter how wonderful it may be. They won't come right out and say that of course.
God forbid we try to take care of our own first.
Brian,
I just wish you could see the ethical dead-end your position puts you in. Try to think along with me for a moment here.
You tell me that my observation "dehumanizes" women. This is after I've told you that I have opened my home, lived with, cried with, and in general tried to help one such woman (girl, really -- she was 16) and her daughter. Do you not see how, instead of engaging what I've said, you have simply found a way to repeat the mindless talking points on your side of this debate? (Yes, the pro-life side has its mindless repetitions as well.)
The point I seek to make is simply that the "pro-choice" side of the debate is not, really, pro-choice. If it were pro-choice, Planned Parenthood would be opening well-baby clinics, spending some of its federal grants helping economically disadvantaged women choose to give their babies life. But it doesn't. I've never, in my 44 years, met a "pro-choice" person who lifted a finger to personally help anyone not choose abortion. You apparently are not going to be the first. I have met a few dozen pro-life people who have done what I did, or in most of their cases far more than I did.
One measure of a group's commitment to its ideas is to check whether any of its members commit real-life time, money, and resources to making its words into reality. The pro-choice folks I've met and spoken with have all, without exception, not done that.
That means that the group is not pro-choice. It is pro-abortion. That means that the group does not seek women's freedom as much as it seeks to be free of the unglamorous task of helping meet these women's needs if they don't choose to abort their babies.
m00tpoint
8:00
Are you saying even a black couple wouldn't adopt an African-American child? C'mon now.
m00tpoint:
We’re obviously talking past each other at this point, but I’ll try to respond.
“You tell me that my observation "dehumanizes" women. This is after I've told you that I have opened my home, lived with, cried with, and in general tried to help one such woman (girl, really -- she was 16) and her daughter.”
Well, you framed it all as the abortionist taking advantage of women. That assumes the women have no agency and no personal reasons for wanting an abortion. It’s infantilizing.
Yes, clearly some women are desperate and don’t think through before they have an abortion. Just as clearly, some women think things through, make the decision freely and aren’t coerced at all.
”The point I seek to make is simply that the "pro-choice" side of the debate is not, really, pro-choice. If it were pro-choice, Planned Parenthood would be opening well-baby clinics, spending some of its federal grants helping economically disadvantaged women choose to give their babies life.”
Strawman. In the same vein, if the pro-life side was really “pro-life,” they’d be working on expanding health care services to cover the roughly 50 million people who are currently without, as well as expanding care to the poor and minorities, working to end the death penalty and against the war in Iraq, not protesting clinics where most of the services have nothing to do with abortion anyway.
Besides, they DO spent the majority of their money on pre-natal care and maternal screenings, as I’ve said before.
“I've never, in my 44 years, met a "pro-choice" person who lifted a finger to personally help anyone not choose abortion.”
Because it’s not my decision. It’s theirs. I’m not going to be the one who will have the abortion or carry the baby.
“One measure of a group's commitment to its ideas is to check whether any of its members commit real-life time, money, and resources to making its words into reality.”
You did see where I donate to PP, correct, and what they do with most of the money? The majority of people who go to a PP clinic don’t go there for an abortion. They go for checkups, pre-natal care, cancer screening or any number of other things.
My time, unfortunately, is already spent elsewhere. You’ll pardon me if I don’t abandon my ESL students to take up your cause.
40% of planned parenthoods profits come from abortions.
They murder as many children in 1 week that have been murdered so far in the entire Iraqi war.
How sad for our city that such evil will be commonplace.
After browsing through the Aurora city codes, I found that public hearings must be held for any business, for profit or not, that intends to distribute adult material and information.
As well, it cannot be within 1000 feet of residences, churches, schools, parks, cemeteries, day care centers, or day nurseries.
While it is a loose interpretation, if only 10% of what they do is abortion, then surely the sex education materials constitutes a substantial amount of their business. If so, it should be censored by the city to allow it to conform to the city ordinances.
10/2/07 9:37 PM:
Do you have a source for that? I can't find anything. I did find this:
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/Annual_report.pdf
There's PPs latest annual report. They made $345.1 million in fees from their health centers and spent $594.2 million on health care, including sex ed.
Even if your stat is true (which I doubt), abortion doesn't come close to providing all of their funding.
This is how it went down and needs to be investigated by the FBI (& not that loser Rino in the back pocket of Shodeen loser) Barsanti.
Weisner gets money from PP and it's losers for his campaign for mayor in exchange for a 'favor' at a later time.
Many months ago Weisner gets the call from operatives of PP to back door their latest abortion center and to keep it on the DL. It is understood by all parties that this is payback for the large dollars given the mayor with the reminder of his upcoming reelection campaign.
The mayor informs, his staff Bill Wiet, Alayne Weingartz, Carie Ergo, to push this through and make it happen I don’t care how and keep it quiet.
Especially keep it away from council as those do gooders Lawrence, Kifowit & Irvin will use this against me if they find out.
All goes as he wants until PP under it’s for profit name Gemni files paperwork, in it’s name & also list tenant as unknown when it was known (exactly who and what was going to occupy this facility).
Fast Forward, Tom gets his ass reemed by His financier buddies from PP for it getting out that they were backdooring this project. This is when the whole legal thing happened.
So, Tommy has a problem. He hires a legal council and it turns out he has a conflict, so he takes the easy out of letting the 2 lawyers on council to get him out of this one. It gets ‘discovered’ that Irvin unbeknown to him got $250 from the new recommended legal counsel firm (note not from the individual lawyer). SO Toms political operatives suggest getting the ‘KANE COUNTY’ States Attorney to look at the ‘CRIMINAL’ aspect of this matter.
Why you might ask? Especially when this same person Barsanti endorsed Alderman Irvin? And he is a Republican. Answer: Irvin isn’t going to object although the same conflict of interest technically exists minus the $250 check. Plus the seeming fact that he is a Republican and Tom is a down and dirty Dem. It all gives the illusion of being non-partisan. This all may seem good which is what Tom or better Yet PP and the men behind the puppet want you to think. As an aside no way is Tom competent enough or intelligent enough to think of all of this on his won.
You see this is wrong on many levels. One Barsanti has no jurisdiction in this matter from a law point of view or from a geographical basis. The federal judge even asked this question and brought up this point in federal court. The clinic is in Dupage county not Cook and this is a civil matter not a criminal one. Furthermore it pertains to zoning and local codes, which would make it a matter for city council and not the mayor, or the County States Attorney.
This is so wrong on so many fronts.
This brings us to the most recent wrong doings this over the weekend and on Monday.
Barsanti ‘delays’ the report as a favor to his buddy Shodeen Who is in bed with the mayor to 35 plus million of your tax dollars.
What does this do? It allows Tom to prep PP which then allows them to ship in their necessary abortion tools delivered on Monday. It also gives him time to control the time the info goes out to everyone PP, the Alderman, the Press, the public, the Pro Life crowd etc.
He intentionally plans the press conference for 3pm so that the pro choice crowd has basically no time to file a emergency court injunction to keep PP from opening. Once it opens it become many times harder to close it back down. He also delays the alderman’s office from getting the documents until 20 minutes after 2 so that unless any of our part-time alderman just happen to be in the office they won’t find out about his unilateral decision until after it is made, announced and acted upon. Once again harder to undo and change his decision that way.
All of this is wrong. Yes he pulled it off for now. However, the court battles are on the way.
He must be stopped, from any further damage to this city.
Call you alderman, the mayor’s office, you state reps and senators Congressman and yes the FBI!
Laws have been broken and now prosecution must occur so that justice can finally prevail.
FYI as I stated before Tom ain’t this smart, it is the ‘sindicate’ behind him who have a lot of money to lose if Tom isn’t there puppet in city hall.
Help stop it now Call, Write, call some more ,and write some more, it does make a difference.
Come December how many protestors will be out there? I am guessing zero. Anybody want to wager?
It's a wonder then why they didn't wait til December or January to open.
To the pro-abortion crowd:
Why do you support the killing of babies?
I'm glad the rule of law prevailed and the clinic was finally allowed to open. Now if only there was a way collect damages from the lunatic fringe protesters to offset the city's legal bills.
Two weeks ago, I visited Aurora for the first time in nearly 23 years. I am shocked and saddened as to how badly things are. Some parts of the city look great while others resemble third-world. I am at a loss for words. PP will only make it worse.
Thank you Mr. Mayor for officially allowing our city to have their own personal holocaust, and for allowing the blood of the innocent babies to flow thru the city of lights.
God put it in your hands, why did you abandon these little ones?
11:26 What 'rule fo law' don't you mean 'Weisner democrat backdoor cronyism userping the law in favor of greed.
You are the lowest excuse for a human! I only wish your parents had the love of baby killing you have.
Christianity..The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Yeah makes perfect sense to me. Where do I grab my protest sign and complimentary lobotomy?
Anonymous said...
11:26 What 'rule fo law' don't you mean 'Weisner democrat backdoor cronyism userping the law in favor of greed.
You are the lowest excuse for a human! I only wish your parents had the love of baby killing you have.
10/2/07 11:34 PM
I said "rule of law" not 'rule fo law' (whatever that is). Rule of law keeps ignorant pissants like you from dictating your silly beliefs to everyone else.
10:33
I believe all of what you write is true and suspected as much. However, being able to prove the illegalities of these criminals like the mayor and his staff is hard especially when the the law like Barsanti is in on the evil doings.
It is to bad the greed these people have! I feel sorry for them. I am not the riches guy on the street by far but at least I have integrity and self respect.
If only the mayor and these goons had been shown some love as children maybe this town would be a better place.
It is amazing the number of people who are in favor of killing babies.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
11:26 What 'rule fo law' don't you mean 'Weisner democrat backdoor cronyism userping the law in favor of greed.
You are the lowest excuse for a human! I only wish your parents had the love of baby killing you have.
My how articulate. You must be an East High grad.
Hey abortion supporters, why are you in favor of killing babies?
Hayseeds, rubes and yokels. All we need now are some circus geeks and snake handlers.
No one is in favor of killing babies. However the majority of people are in favor of the right of a woman to govern her own body. Perhaps if you find this too difficult of a concept to live with, you could relocate to a p-lace more in tune with your beliefs. Like Iraq or perhaps Afghanistan. Hell even Saudi Arabia.
11:47 said...
"However the majority of people are in favor of the right of a woman to govern her own body."
What about the body and life of another human being inside her?
Since you believe that it is ok to so casually take the life of an innocent person, how would you feel if someone tried to take your life? I bet you would have a different opinion.
Amazing that people who are in favor of abortion are actually ALIVE.
11:47
Why don't you!? They would gladly kill you for the beliefs you have here in america at least we have the freedom or at least those of us BORN to PARENTS that LOVE us and CHOSE to not KILL us have the freedom to write I blogs and discuss these things. I would suggest you try and live in any of those countries you mentioned for a day and see if you could last! Let alone speak publically about your love abortion and governing your own body.
Hey what about the Unborn baby girl in you belly? What about here right to govern her own body? Seem you selfish NAGS from Now care only about you and not about anyone ro anything else period.
pro-abortion people are so silly
10:33
Excellent post! I think you are dead on.
Now what can we do about it? Does anyone know how we can file a class action against the Mayor and his staff. I think it only hurts us taxpayers if we sue the city afterall we are the city.
But if we can sue these individuals for their personal wealth and hold them financially and criminally responsible that would be good thing.
Hopefully it will serve to detur these criminal politicians from doing more of this deceipt and lies and the other corruption that perform for personal gain.
12:11
Don't forget to add Barsanti to the lawsuit! Meanwhile we should pursue his and the annoying city legal counsel ladies law liscense.
Great idea!
The corruption has to stop NOW.
Wow, the idea of freedom really seems to piss the anti choice crowd off. I love to see them get worked up. They are so cute when they get mad LoL!
Why in the hell I want to move to a muslim country? You are the religious whackjob that wants a theocracy, not me.
It also may be time to start targeting the anti choice people the way they target people who value freedom. Such as taking their photographs, demonstrating at their churches, at their homes, places of employment, etc. See if they can take their own medicine.
First off I am a woman who is pro-choice. I never have had an abortion but its not to say I never would. I have 2 children, but in the event of rape or disease, or a handicap that would hinder my childs whole quality of life, I probably would. But this isn't the point. People are just pissed off because of where it is...in a nice area of Aurora, if you ask me its the best place for it. Who is anyone to force beliefs on anyone? If abortion is against your religion, thats your religion not everyone else's. Look at all these women, by this I mean girls, having sex at the age of 14. And the disease spreading, now don't you think that all of this energy could be going to teach these kids about that? Cause even if we don't like it or not by the time they teach sex ed. in high school many of these kids have already had sex. Or worse baby's who WE support through public aid. Because the boys don't care wheter they made a baby or not, no one is teaching these kids accountability.
Or what about the girl who was raped, not only did she get raped but should she be forced to give birth? How many of these protesters have an adopted child as well, I would like to know. I would rather see a child aborted before it is birthed to parents who are druggies,who will drink or use drugs while pregnant, who will grow to neglect or beat them to death.Or a child being bounced around from foster home to foster home, no one wants teenagers they want baby's. Cause a lot of these girls really don't care. Now if public aid was paying for these abortions I may have a big problem with that, but the moneys coming out of their pockets not mine. The decisions they make is between them and God and none of us is God. So hopefully for these people who do get this procedure done hopefully they learn to use something to prevent it from happening again or keep their legs shut. Here is what angers me most of all. The fact that as I am driving down the street with my child,who is of young age, and FORCED to see pictures. Graphic photos which are throw out there with no regard of others values. With this I really don't care if the facility is there or not. Who are these people to not take into consideration that there are children around and the parents who have to explain to their child? Just like the fact that we can't pray in public school some places you can't say the pledge of allegiance because the word God is in it, because that is forcing a belief on someone. You can picket all you want I don't care but when my child is FORCED to see graphic photos there is a problem. Cause I really believe that if this facility was in the middle of one of the many crap hole "ghettos" in Aurora no one would really have a problem with it. So with all of this energy why don't people take it to educate these kids. PP isn't really that bad of an idea cause if its cheaper to get birth control or other of the many services that they do then it is to use my insurance,or even for people who don't have insurance, then I am going to use it. There are other ways that you can stand for what you believe but as long as these picketers have no regard for other peoples values, or who they have in their cars driving by I will stand by PP. It angers me more that my child was FORCED to look at these things then the fact that PP is there.
There is one bright side out of all this! Maybe the Demonrat Liberals will abort themselves out of existance!!!
I petitioning for a permit to open a gas chamber, to contract with the Department of Corrections, to free up space on "Death Row". The murderers in Aurora can be put down close to home.
Funny how anti-abortion people can be against abortion, but first to talk about killing someone. Nice and hypocritical!
No the point was how a liberal can abort an innocent child, yet protect a murderer. Can't have it both ways.
Weisner should resign if he knew about this clinic.
Oh sorry 9:29 I read it wrong hahaha
"No the point was how a liberal can abort an innocent child, yet protect a murderer. Can't have it both ways."
How come "pro-life" people want all babies to be born but are usually against public funding of health care and for the war in Iraq?
Can't have it both ways.
Also, for anyone who wants to outlaw both abortion and birth control, here's a fine example of what happens when you do that:
"[Abortion was prohibited] for women under forty with fewer than four children (in 1986 the age barrier was raised to forty-five) [...] Compulsory monthly medical examinations for all women of childbearing age were introduced to prevent abortions, which were permitted, if at all, only in the presence of a Party representative. Doctors in districts with a declining birth rate had their salaries cut.
The population did not increase, but the death rate from abortions far exceeded that of any other European country: as the only available form of birth control, illegal abortions were widely performed, often under the most appalling and dangerous conditions. Over the ensuing twenty-three years the 1966 law resulted in the deaths of at least ten thousand women. The real infant mortality rate was so high that after 1985 births were not officially recorded until a child had survived to its fourth week - the apotheosis of Communist control of knowledge. By the time Ceausescu was overthrown, the death rate of new born babies was twenty-five per thousand and there were upwards of 100000 institutionalized children."
-From "Postwar" by Tony Judt, speaking about Romania.
Sounds like those policies will do a great job protecting babies, doesn't it?
I hope they open a gay bar out there soon, maybe then abortion won't be such a big issue. Get people to bat for the other team. I bet the abortion rate goes way down!
I agree with you 10/03/07.
I meant I agree with 10/03/07 @8:15am I couldn't have said it any better.
JUST THOUGHT YOU WOULD ALL LIKE TO KNOW THAT WEISNER IS NOW PULLING POLICE OFFICERS OFF THE STREETS SO HE CAN HAVE HIS OWN PROTECTION DETAIL. THIS CITY IS VERY SHORT ON POLICE OFFICERS ON THE STREET. HE IS NOW TAKING MORE OFFICERS OFF THE STREET TO PROTECT HIMSELF AND NOT THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY.
If you were mayor and had threats made against you, you would do the same thing. I swear, some people gripe just to gripe. Let's all just jump on the Weisner bashing bandwagon.
I agree I'm no Wisner fan but if he has treats against him for something that is legal then that's what he should do. This just gives creditablity to those that say that some in the Pro Life group are dangerous. So I say if he needs to have protection then so be it. It is to bad the Pro Life group doesn't feel the same way about the straving children in this city and the abused here they deserve just as much attention as the Clinic. When this group goes out and protects all living things I might listen to them.
This is a form of terrorisum.
People in this city has been having abortions for a long time and until a clinic came here no one seemed to mine except for when we had one on Galena. Doesn't this city have enough problems with gangs, illegal imigrants, over crowded schools and high taxes. So now all anyone can think of is this clinic and for what we know if is fueled by outsiders. Lets try to get all of these problems fixed instead of fousing on just this.
Agreed it amazes me that they (pro-life) are the first to throw threats, or wish revenge. When sopposedly most of these people are also religious is so hypocritical, and I usually find this about people who feel they are holier then thou,I once heard a pastors wife call a teenage girl a slut, these are people I am talking about holier then thou attitude but first to pass judgment when they know it isn't their place. I do have beliefs in a religion but I am not going to tell someone what to do with their bodies, it doesn't belong to me & their sins aren't mine. Just the same if someone has cancer & turns down treatment...should we also pass a law that they HAVE to get treatment. I mean what will they do have pictures of suffering cancer victims? Or someone who wishes in certain cases not to be resesitated
I would rather see a fetus aborted before going through something that they will suffer from and know & feel extreme pain. Like another Andrea Yates situation just yesterday I heard of another woman drowning her two children in a bathtub. It is sickening. Not saying I am one way or the other but it isn't my choice and for those who CHOSE to do it have to face GOD at judgment. I would also see a person who does CHOSE to do this have it done in a clean, safe enviroment, and could get counsel, and eduction about how to prevent having to make a decision like this again in the future. Instead of some back alley office with a nutso doctor with dirty instruments or a crazy bum with a rusty hanger. These people are pro-life but once they "save" someone then what? What concern is that baby to them then? What do they do to help that mother, child or family. Besides have taxes takin out for public aid. Alot of this bashing could be used in a more postitive direction of educating the youth of Aurora, all these pro-life people take their time to go to the middle schools and high schools and educate these teenagers. They won't though because they won't be paid for it. It doesn't matter that it could have an effect if they took the time out for that or even if these kids parents did. There is where the problem lies, not in abortion, but the events leading up to it. And I know nothing I say will change anyones mind and thats not why I am writing this, I am not trying to push MY beliefs on anyone, I am just stating an opinion that is mine & mine only. Which is my American right to do...unless there's going to be someone willing to take that away from me as well.
Please read these sad but true statistics.
The legalization of abortion doesn't just affect the women who have abortions and the fetuses aborted. Abortion affects every one of us, alive with the right to life.
In the late 1960s and early 1970s abortion rights supporters promised that through the legalization of abortion society would be improved. Fewer teenagers would become pregnant. Child abuse would drop. Children would only live in homes that could support them. Children would live in more loving homes and crime rates would drop. Yet, either because of or coincidentally with Roe vs. Wade, history has shown the opposite. Abortion has opened up a "back way out:" an excuse to have unsafe sex, and an excuse for violent murder. Our society, and the children who have grown up in the abortion-filled world, have been negatively affected.
Abortion hasn't helped prevent crime against children. Since abortion was legalized in 1973, the number of reported cases of child abuse has increased by 1,497%, from 167,000 in 1973 to 2.5 million in 1991.
"... elective abortion is an important cause of child abuse...
Recent evidence indicates many women harbour strong guilt feelings long after their abortions. Guilt is one important cause of child battering and infanticide. Abortion lowers women's self-esteem and there are studies reporting a major loss of self-esteem in battering parents...."
Abortion hasn't helped prevent violent children.Since Roe v. Wade, the number of juvenile violent crime arrest rates has almost doubled, from 215.9 arrests per 100,000 people in 1970, to 430.6 arrests per 100,000 people in 1990.
Abortion hasn't helped couples. Researcher Emily Milling studied over 400 couples with women who had made a decision to have an abortion. 70% of the relationships ended within one month of the abortion.
Abortion hasn't prevented children from being born into poverty. Since Roe v. Wade, the number of children relying on AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) has risen from 8.5 per cent (of all children) in 1970 to 11.9 per cent in 1990. 2 The number of children living in poverty has increased, from 15.1 per cent (of all children) in 1970 to 20.6 per cent in 1990.
Abortion has become an excuse to have unsafe sex. Since Roe v. Wade, the number of teen pregnancies has more than doubled, from 4.94 per cent (of all teenagers) in 1972 to 9.92 per cent in 1990.
Abortion has increased the number of abortions required of teenagers, and the number of births to teenage mothers. Since Roe v. Wade, the number of teen abortions has increased, from 19.9 per thousand teenagers in 1972, to 43.8 per thousand teenagers in 1990, while the number of teen births has increased from 22.8 per thousand teenagers to 42.5 per thousand teenagers in 1990.
Abortion has increased the number of single-parent families. Since Roe v. Wade, the number of births to unmarried women has increased, from 10.7 per cent (of all births) in 1970, to 28.0 per cent in 1990.
Abortion has increased the number of unwanted pregnancies. Since Roe v. Wade, the number of pregnancies ending in abortion has increased, from 12.9 per cent (of total pregnancies) in 1972, to 24.6 per cent in 1990.
Sources
1. US Department of Health & Human Services
2. William J. Bennett. The Index of Leading Cultural Indicators.
published jointly by Empower America and The Heritage Foundation, 1993,
vol 1, p. 6.
3. P. Ney, M.D. "Relationship between Abortion and Child Abuse." Canada
Journal of Psychiatry, vol. 24, pp. 610-620.
I'm sorry to say but as much as those stat's maybe true. I highly doubt that the increase of teen abortions is because they know if they do get pregnant they can get get an abortion. Its actually because #1 birth control isn't available for them to buy, or they don't care too...#2 they are uneducated... or #3 their parents and higher authorities just don't care enough about the youth in the communities. Every ones concerned about the abortion issue but there's a lot more that goes before that. If its that important then try to stop it before it happens. PP also does many,many other things for women, but I hear no one commending them for that.
To hear the truth about planned parenthood go to:
www.childpredators.com
After you listen to these reports, be sure to thank our mayor for allowing such an organization into our community.
There are more influences in those stats than abortion. There is poverty, uneducated people, and peer pressure. There is sex marketing on tv more now than back then, and every tv show has some kind of sexual reference. You state the amount of children born to poverty. Isn't that what the pro-life people want? Children born no matter what the circumstances - yet you use this statistic against abortion?? Your post is just not logical nor does it seem factual.
The reason for posting those statistics was to show that all the promises pro choice people made regarding the Roe V Wade law turned out to be false promises.
In the late 1960s and early 1970s abortion rights supporters promised that through the legalization of abortion society would be improved. Fewer teenagers would become pregnant. Child abuse would drop. Children would only live in homes that could support them. Children would live in more loving homes and crime rates would drop. Yet, either because of or coincidentally with Roe vs. Wade, history has shown the opposite. Abortion has opened up a "back way out:" an excuse to have unsafe sex, and an excuse for violent murder. Our society, and the children who have grown up in the abortion-filled world, have been negatively affected.
They thrive on mistruths.
And as a parent I firmly believe that we cannot preach to our youth that they should repect themselves and others when we live in a country which has a law which allows a mother to subject her own flesh and blood to torture and murder, all in the name of choice.
Sorry but that statement still makes no sense to me, is it just me? She sounds as if shes on the fence with her statements. Not to anger you its just not registering to me. If you are pro-life please explain to me why these people are so worried about a child being born but take no consideration about ones already living,and they put indecent photos up for children to see with no regard for others, is that really the way you want to get your point across, cause if so, I'm sure (and I wouldn't do it cause even though I am pro-choice I wouldn't be standing in the street holding a picture of a 10 yr.old a parent just killed) there are better ways and positive things to do to prove a point.
10/3/07 10:51 PM:
Do you have any stats more recent than 17 years ago?
About the child abuse factor, I'd imagine the key word is "reported." As a society, we're a lot more vigilant about looking for abuse and punishing abusers than we used to be.
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