Friday, September 18, 2009

Sonic in Aurora Wants to Extend An Extra Hour

The new Sonic Drive-In restaurant on Kirk Road (Farnsworth) in Aurora within the Wal-Mart shopping center wants to extend their closing time by one hour, from 11pm to midnight.

Despite studies that show there is no impact on the closest neighborhood, they are objecting because they have general issues with the Wal-Mart center overall.

Sonic wants to be consistent with a national advertising campaign that promotes being open until midnight.

With many other fast-food restaurants allowed to be open late, including McDonald's and Taco Bell, is it fair to restrict Sonic or would be reasonable to allow them the extra hour?

The matter will be voted upon at Aurora's City Council on October 13th.

79 comments:

Anonymous said...

From what I have read the agreement was that the place would only be open till 11pm. That's what was sold to the people that live around there. I have been up there and do not blame the people that live around that walmart. It totally does not fit in that neighborhood. What a missed opportunity on such a big piece of property. Hopefully the city counicl will stand with the people that they serve and say no to sonic.

Anonymous said...

I see all those other restaurants and businesses knocking on the city's doors to build. The city doesn't have any real "good" restaurants or chain restaurants in comparison in to other cities its size. They better let those that are there be able to thrive, before another taco stand goes in.

Anonymous said...

I've visited the Sonic, definitely not worth it. I have to say I really feel for the people who have to live next to it. What a poorly designed development. I just don't know who would ever want to buy one of the homes next to that shopping center. The Sonic looks like some bizarre Vegas attraction. Like the above poster said it just doesn't fit. Even though Aurora doesn't attract the businesses many want I don't think it's a good idea to sacrifice the homeowners who have bought into the community either. I would hope the city will meet with the homeowners and try to work out some of the issues.

Anonymous said...

What are the percieved issues with Sonic and the neighborhood? Why does someone move next to a large commercial development and expect perfect peace? Why does the alderwoman try to appease the neighbors while hurting our business's? As Mike Turner said "business will go where business is welcome!!"

Anonymous said...

Its a dead issue folks. The P and D committee denied it and the Council is not going to go against their recommendation or the alderman for that area.

Come on openline, next subject.

Anonymous said...

Your right 11:20 lets let the crap businesses go to the desperate towns and cities that want them. SOnic is a low-class fast food joint just like burger king. Sherman Jenkins and Mike Turner are low-class and therefore want to attract low-class. Too bad they let go of Chris Beykrich, at least he was a good representative of the City. Has anyone sat acroos the table from Mike or Sherman? First impressions folks. Until you do, you will never understand why businesses do not want to come to aurora.

Anonymous said...


Has anyone sat acroos the table from Mike or Sherman? First impressions folks.


Can you explain this further. It sounds like you are making an interesting point but I do not get it.

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

When did Aurora become the pinnacle of architectural design? The city is so broke that cops and firefighters are about to be laid off! Aurora should welcome ANY legitimate business who wants to build here and contribute to our tax base.

Anonymous said...

First, this post is pathetic. The grammer in this is grade school level. They did studies and they are opposed.... Try to get in a subject to make more sense.

It doesn't matter what anyone says. That Walmart is here to stay, the Sonic is here to stay so the neighbors should just get over it and realize that is what they are stuck with. They can thank their alderman for that.

If Sonic has to stay open another hour because of the National Ad Campaign and their corporate headquarters are pressuring them to do it; then the City should try to work with them. We give millions away to Shodeen and can't give Sonic a measly hour next to a 24 HOUR WALMART. Come on?? Isn't there more important things to worry about than one crappy hour?

Anonymous said...

If I remember right when that neighborhood was there before the Walmart or the Sonic. The neighborhood opposed it because the builder didn't provide adequate buffering. A similar episode happened when I lived over by Nan St. behind the outlet mall. The restaurants stunk up the whole neighborhood over there too. As far as the Alderman appeasing the neighbors, you're kidding right? At the end of the night when the employees from the Sonic and the Walmart go home guess who has to stay, that's right those residents. They really need to open some better lines of communication and work on building some better neighborhoods or there won't be any need to open any businesses when no one wants to live in this city.

Anonymous said...

3:12 you actually know anyone who wants to live in this city and is not trapped by elderly relatives or by a home that has substantially declined in value?

I do not know of anyone in Aurora who would not like to leave. I live on the far west side and as soon as anyone makes more than 100k a year they move away, not to a fancier in Aurora but away.

Anonymous said...

3:17 this is true. I'm out of here as soon as the market turns around. They seem to want to tax and fine the residents for everything in this city. I'm on the west side too and have started taking more of my business out of the city. Why should I have to run a gauntlet of red light cameras just to go shopping at the mall. I'll take my money to North Aurora and Batavia, at least I feel more welcome.

Anonymous said...

I live in the neighborhood to the east of the Sonic. We have he Marmion Big Woods Neighborhood Association over here and at one of the meetings they were handing out forms from Sherman Jenkins encouraging the neighbors to write to there favorite establishments to get them to open stores and restaurants over on that corner. WTF Why do we pay this guy so much money and then have him come back and try to get us to write letters. What is his job? Jenkins is a walking punch line.

Anonymous said...

4;10 - exactly. Aurora has some great taco stands, we like Jaliscos on Galena, and now I am out of places I care to eat in Aurora. For shopping we drive up Randall to Batavia, Geneva, and St. Charles.

Pretty much this is bedroom community for us and we grew up here. I would not go to an Aurora festival but I frequent the clean family celebration of other communities.

Anonymous said...

Walmart should have been built on the new police station land. The police station should have been built there. Now Batavia schools get all the Walmart revenue and East Aurora is stuck with another non for profit building. Remember this was the property that D131 lost millions on and the city overpaid Walmart.

Anonymous said...

Thank God they kept that Walmart trash north of I-88. The City needs to clamp down on the illegals and the district needs to get rid of the child care it provides to over 1 thousand students. The City could also develop Farnsworth and Broadway, and Hill ave. Then maybe some of 131's cash problems will go away. Look into it, Walmarts do not generate that much money for school districts. Remember the school district gets tax revenue on the value of the building(s) (assessed value) not the sales tax revenue. That goes to the City.

Anonymous said...

5:51 - Excellent point. I seem to recall reading in the Beaconfused that Walmart actually put money down own the property on Indian Trail. Guess who lives right down the block, you know Abby Schuler. I guess she didn't want to live next to a Walmart. I always though a better place for the police station was out around Orchard where there was some space for a complex that size. Look at that ridiculous building that erected, It has to block the sun of the residences behind it. Aurora really needs to trash it's development staff and hire North Aurora's as consultants.

Anonymous said...

You, the people of Aurora, voted for this guy, Weisner, and his minions now live with the consequences, much the same as the rest of the country is trying to survive with that other demonrat in the white house...

Anonymous said...

Hopefully they'll lay off that sherman jenkins fraud and bring in someone that knows how to attract business, not just give political contributions.

Anonymous said...

What does it take to have a mayoral recall??? Anyone know???

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have the number to the U.S. Attorney's office? Maybe there
are some contribution irregularities with the mayors office of "no-bid" contracts.

Anonymous said...

Oh look, they're investigating yet another democrat, Todd Stroger, for the way he does business. Is there a systemic pattern with the democrat party?

Anonymous said...

What the "f" is wrong with some of your people? I mean really. Look at the following two quotes:

The City could also develop Farnsworth and Broadway, and Hill ave.


Hopefully they'll lay off that sherman jenkins fraud and bring in someone that knows how to attract business, not just give political contributions.


Once again what is wrong with you people. Government can't do anything but "f" up. You want more Government? You have this douche bag city council and a douche bag President and you want more Government? Are you nuts? Here is the truth. I own several out of county and out of state businesses and would not run a business in this corrupt, douche bag city if you gave free land. This city is run by imbeciles, total imbeciles.

First you have Kifowit who has got to be the single dumbest broad I have ever met in my life. Then you have Garcia who is as corrupt as they come. Mervin who is a life long Government hack, Hart-Burns who is corrupt and deranged, Whitey Peters who is a total douchebag screw up, O'connor who is actually bright but is so far out of touch with his 1950s thinking style that he might as well be in a nursing home phoning in his votes. And let us not forget Richard (I iz black vote fur me) Irvin, a corrupt, unintelligent racist dirt bag. The only one on the council worth a damn is Lawrence. And you want more of these assholes? Are you nuts? What the hell is wrong with you people?

Anonymous said...

Walmart would have generated real estate taxes. Also lets not forget D131 sold the property to Walmart throught crooked Dolan. Abby complained because her mother in law nut Marge did not want a Walmart. Walmart turned around and made a 3.8 million dollar profit on it because the dumb asses on the D131 board did not have the property appraised. Dolan then double dipped and was paid commission twice. Know the residents have the police palace to look at.

Anonymous said...

I own several out of county and out of state businesses...


Yea, right, sure you do.

Anonymous said...

Linda Chapa Via had a big role in bringing Wal-Mart to Aurora.

Anonymous said...

I don't know why you are knocking Walmart over this Sonic thing. I use Walmart all the time and find the savings more than good.IE:last week I tried to buy some orange juice at one of the local big chain grocery stores. To my surprise I found a tag touting the juice "on sale" for 3.05, reg price 4.49. I have been buying this same brand for the past two years and have NEVER found it more than 3.29 in this chain store. When I questioned the check out girl she said it was always 4.49 and they wern't trying to pull any fast one. I informed her that Walmart has never been higer than 3.05 in any of the 30 or more stores that I have visited..and was promptly told to go to Walmart then...which I did and to my suprise they had the same Florida Juice for 2.92. Just keep knocking them and sooner or later they will etiher move out or raise prices.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, and that jug of orange juice you are getting for a few cents less is at the expense of lack of employee health coverage, non-union stores, products that are made exculsively in China (which is on the move to buy many of the US prime assets), products made by children, lack of worker protections, environmental disregard. So yeah, you go ahead and feel real good that you got your orange juice at walmart for a few cents more.

It always kills me those who cannot see beyond the end of their own noses.

Anonymous said...

11:56 - yes it may surprise you but some of us actually have done something with our life in spite of having grown up here.

Kane country is much harder to deal with than Dekalb County, and years later I learned that IL is far harder to deal with than many other states. Dekalb county is much easier to deal with and I have yet to get the hint of them wanting a campaign contribution, a kick-ack or a pay-off.


I am here to see to it my mother is alright. When she passes on I'll be gone and you can all have this shit hole of a town. As I said the city council, the county, and the state are very unfriendly to business. The fact that some of you think that more Government is the answer tells me this town is hopeless.

Does anyone have any idea how much money has been duped into that shit hole down town since the 70s? The total cost must be staggering. And for what? So it can be turned into a Government center with a couple of tax payer subsidized restaurants.

And you think Garcia, Kifowit, Irvin and Peters are going to guide you to paradise?

Simply reality.

Anonymous said...

Where can you go for a good steak in Aurora without having the meat wrapped in a tortilla???

Anonymous said...

I am not even sure you can get a lousy steak in Aurora. There use to be many steak houses.

Fran and Arts(lower-mid tier)
Pondersoa (low tier)
Western Sizzlin(lower-mid tier)
Nino's (mid-upper tier)

now...hmmmm...

Anonymous said...

There is no REAL Steakhouse in aurora. So Sonic wants to remain open for one more hour...BIG DEAL! I would rather eat at Portilloes! As for the new Walmart, dont worry too much, it may be gone in very soon. What happened to Cub Foods? it didnt last very long either. Aurora needs new leadership ASAP!

Anonymous said...

What Aurora needs if you want decent chains in the area is less Mexicans.
Why is everyone pussy footing around about this. 90& of Aurora's problems are the Mexicans - period!

Anonymous said...

Walmart on Butterfirld and Kirk has hardly no business. I don't know how it is on the weekends but during workdays, it's like a ghost town. They must have 20 something registers and only 3 or 4 are ever open. And even those registers are waiting for customers. I don't know how they stay open but it probably won't be much longer.

Anonymous said...

10:06 Seems as though you are pro union...well how about going to McCormik Place and having the evil unions charging you 125.00 to plug in an extension plug or charging you 500.00 to hoist a 30# piece of display 5 feet in the air? Than if your are lucky you might get your display back when the show is over if the union thugs haven't stolen it or sold it off the dock. Thats real unionism for you. No thanks I'll take Walmart anytime! At least I get what I pay for.

Anonymous said...

Hey I see Lorenzo's steak house at the Fox Valley Mall closed. Another good business packing up and leaving Aurora.

I also hear they are looking at putting a mexican restraunt up at the outlet mall. Wow, just what aurora needs, another mexican place to eat.

What a city! And the Mayor still continues to support Sherman Jenkins. That speaks volumes of his leadership.

Anonymous said...

8:14am-If it was you charging $125 to plug in an extention cord, you'd be laughing all the way to the bank and not saying a friggin' word. There's always envious, jealous jerks like you so eager to point the finger.

Anonymous said...

11:43 am I'm NEVER jealous of CROOKs who use strong arm tatics. I might add it looks like you are jealous of people who have an honest job at Walmart who are willing to work hard and not suck off the public teat.

Anonymous said...

What a city! And the Mayor still continues to support Sherman Jenkins. That speaks volumes of his leadership.


The whole problem is this city is managed and run by scant anyone who has ever operated a real business and yet they think they know something about business.

The city now thinks its job is to protect other businesses from new businesses which drives up the cost to the consumer and believes it should pick which businesses are good and which are bad.

Once again look at the resume of these assholes? It is like the who's who of losers! Whitey Peters - for gosh sake! Richard Irvin - simply mouthy ghetto trash. Kifowit - dumber than a moss covered stump. Actually Garcia understand how business is done in Aurora, via graft and kickbacks. Do you think Meisch was an isolated incident?

As for those from the mayor's office - the job of the city is not to attract business, the job of the city is to make the city attractive to business. It is a very different proposition. You can do that by having fast tracked stream lined processes and informative meetings that aid businesses in understanding the required compliance with the city and country ordinances. Instead of welcoming a prospective concept in this community it is like playing 50 questions, no one knows anything, they cannot give complete answers.

Other communities have welcome packages and business groups that speedily guide a prospective business owner through the process. I was able to open a business in another community in under 5 months from conception through grand opening because they had a process in place.

They had traffic counts in place, demographics, a streamlined approval process, once I told them I was planning on using a modular unit they reached out to the manufacturer to see what standards they adhered to and rapidly approved the structure (in 3 days I had an oral yes why the paperwork fell n place), The area was already zoned, so neighborhood concerns were not an issue, there was not need to attend a city council meeting, just a couple of phone calls.

As I said this city is nuts. These people have a narrow vision of the world and are hopelessly out of touch with the modern business climate. In particular I make reference to O'Connor whom while intelligent is out of touch with the world. He should be put in a nursing home or spend his days playing pong or whatever technology he thinks is current. The man is an embarrassment to mature males who have kept up with the world.

My advice to all is, you need turnover at next election. Toss them out. Get rid of Irvin in particular. Dump Kifowit. Dump Peters. Aurora needs a new city council.

Anonymous said...

dumber than a moss covered stump

Spoken like a true hillbilly.

Anonymous said...

These people have had a narrow vision of the world for the last 50 years that I know of..good ol boys, good ol families, good ol country club..keep all new comers out unless willing to play by the ol rules and scratch one anothers backs. Thats the way it runs. What a shame.

Anonymous said...

Spoken like a true hillbilly.


Yeah but unlike you his mother and father were not brother and sister.

Anonymous said...

I don't think the areas that are being newly developed are really the issue in Aurora. Where the city really drops the ball is when there is redevelopment in older areas. They have NO IDEA how to successfully integrate new uses, or new buildings into old areas. Look at the mess around Union and East New York Street. It is a revolting mess that further diminishes the value of the residential area around it. Not that there was much value left...

Anonymous said...

10:45 AM...here is a question...what have they done right? Hav eyou seen the mess they approved on the West side where the Aldi/Ace/Gas Station/Little Ceasars is? It is a series of car accidents waiting to happen. Same on the remodel of the North Avenue Bridge. Ever try to get out of the park? You have to do it blind. This city is absolutely incompetent in whatever it takes on?

Anonymous said...

Yeah but unlike you his mother and father were not brother and sister.


Again, spoken like a true hillbilly.

Anonymous said...

Hey 7:38, does your daddy still come on your face or did you finally learn to swallow?

Anonymous said...

Hey 7:38, does your daddy still come on your face or did you finally learn to swallow?



Again, spoken like a true hillbilly.

Anonymous said...

Note, no denial from 8:30. Why am I not surprised. Those liberal types are always open to new experiences.

Anonymous said...

Openline would you please delete all of the smut that people are posting.

Anonymous said...

Openline will never delete anything unless it insults Rick Lawrence, or points out the identity of the people behind this blog.

Anonymous said...

10:07 I'll second that.

Anonymous said...

Hey 8:07pm, learn how to spell.
It's cum....not come.

I knew you were a hillbilly.

Anonymous said...

10:06 - gee why is it that no one is surprised that you are such an expert on the topic?

Anonymous said...

9:19pm, Only a dumbass illiterate hillbilly like you would ask a dumbass question like that.

Anonymous said...

Is this carie ergo???

Anonymous said...

8:54am- Only a dumbass illiterate hillbilly like you would ask a dumbass question like that.

Anonymous said...

9:01 - so every one is a hillbilly to you? Because you are obviously responding to more than one person.

Anonymous said...

11:10am

Not everyone is responding. Just a dumbass hillbilly like you would keep coming back for more verbal abuse.

Anonymous said...

I as a life long resident of aurora cannot believe the utter "incompetence" of the people in charge of this city.How on gods green earth dont you roll out the red carpet for this and other businesses that want to open stores in aurora.What is the big deal about another hr?This city is broke there laying off city workers left and right and you have people pissing and moaning about a "national chain" wanting to stay open for 1 more hr? Its a travesty that people like abby "palin" schuler has any say what so ever when she has no business sense what so-ever!!!!!!!!!!I hope to god someone in that city sets her dumbass straight .One question I have is who are the "einsteins" that elect such incompetent officals?

Anonymous said...

I read all of these comments regarding sonic,abby schuler,the mayor.There is a man on the corner of broadway and ill ave who has been repairing and selling vehicles in aurora since 1988 and right now he is getting screwed over royally by the city because the great abby shuler doesnt want him to be able to sell cars on his own property anymore .She says its a problem because of the neighbors.He is not aloud to put 4 or 5 cars in front of his own building ,but right across the street is the city employee parking lot (gravel) with 60 cars a day in it.Does that make any sense?He has a special use permit at his building located next to the one he also owns but the city doesnt want to transfer it from one to the other.Doesnt the alderman in that ward have anything better to do than worry about someone selling a few cars legally?

Anonymous said...

Watch out what you write or she'll Dummy Schuler will send her henchman mark anderson and his nazi squad to ticket you for pointing out the city's short comings. They learned this tactic from the demonrat party. Attack the others to hide their mistakes. It should be called the "kangaroo counsel" with some of those characters and mayor. Meanwhile I'm going to Batavia / Geneva / St. Charles or Oswego to eat.

Anonymous said...

Aurora=Disaster

Anonymous said...

pack the city council meeting and tell your elected politicians to use their head and welcome business.
Remember the 2010 vote is right around the corner. Vote out these demonrats and build a "culture of support" for business. Every place that has a strong business base has lower property taxes. Look at Oakbrook and others. Help not hinder business. I wonder if the politicians can be sued for malpractice???? Hmmm....

Anonymous said...

Last time I checked the best cities out there stood up to businesses when their residents had complaints and concerns. As far as that car lot goes on Broadway, how many more used car lots does this City need? We need quality restaurants, a state of the art movie theater complex, new car dealerships (foreign or domestic) and the top line retailers that are now found right across the city lines. We have enough marginal businesses. Let's diversify, before all we can attract are tattoo removal shops, novelty hat stores, urban t shirt stands (2 Pac you are immortal), hub cap accessories, blood transfusion centers, crack vial recycling operations (they're green too), MD 20/20 discount stores, accessory wear stores for strippers of both sexes, discount cell phone places, eye patch shops, cellulite suction support centers and hemorrhoid removal counseling clinics.

Anonymous said...

The point of the whole post was to have city government let private business exist and prosper, not be over taxed and regulated by people who don't have a clue, like abby schuler. The town already looks like a giant garage sale. What self respecting business would want to move in. Look at the mall in Bolingbrook. Smaller town twice as many businesses and restaurants in one location, much less the rest of the village. Aurora should be ashamed of the direction it is heading and the way it treats business. How soon before weisner leaves town and he tries to put someone else, maybe like a demonrat state rep, in his spot while he runs to a state or federal job?

Anonymous said...

All over the country you can find examples where local government tells a business what hours it can be open, that it won't have its usual 80 ft. high sign and that operations will need to be altered.

Why is it that when Aurora steps up and has respect for itself, some of you blast the crap out of Schuler?

Does anyone with a brain think that Sonic is going to close because of this? Does anyone think that they won't open their other location because of a one hour time restriction?

Everybody criticizes the City Council for going back and changing agreements a year after they are negotiated and changing their minds and now you want to get after an elected official for listening to her constituents and not the corporate suits from out of town?

What ever happened to government by and for the people?

Anonymous said...

besides, why do we have to get all giddy over a low-rent drive in?

Anonymous said...

because it's better than getting giddy over the other non-existent quality restaurants we have in this city.

from an economic development perspective, what does this city have to be giddy about?

bally doyle, a broom parts factory, the outlet mall, steak n' shake, the big mac place at locust and galena (what horrors) and what else over the last twelve years? oh shucks, i forgot the china hut and the jimmy john joint downtown.

guess that excuses this city from embarrassing itself with all the fuss over an extra hour for a drive-in. what a spectacular example of economic development spurred pique and excitement. Woo hooo!

tap the fire hydrant and hose me down. otherwise i might self combust! it's too much excitement to bear.

Anonymous said...

Relax, poster. The Home Depot and Lowes Center on Orchard is pretty nice but too bad it never brought anything else along with it. What about Cermak Market on Lake. Let's see what happens around the new court and police center on Indian Trail. What businesses will go there and I wonder what the economic development people are doing to market places around it.

Anonymous said...

Your talking about a revenue increase of $3000 a year. We're talking about $8.25 a day for those of you who can't cipher. Why should those people who actually LIVE in Aurora (that may be an oxymoron in itself) be burdened by a business when the business owners themselves hop into their Mercedes and drive to their estate lots in Barrington. Those residents invested just as much buying into Aurora as those business people and have to live with the bad decisions made by the city council everyday. The city also needs to attract better residents as well as businesses.

Anonymous said...

The operator of the Sonic lives in Barrington and drives a Mercedes? Are you sure of that?

First off, he in not an owner he is a franchisee, which means he does not necessarily own squat. Sonic operates on a 20 year franchise agreement, which means, providing he stays compliant with his FA he has the right to use their tradename, trademarks, process etc, however he is rigidly governed in what he offers and how he offers it.

Secondly you need 1 million in liquid assets and a 1 million dollar net worth, that he has to put on the line with a personal guarantee. Consider the implications of that. In other words he has to put at risk a minimum of 1 million dollars. If the business fails for him economically Sonic can still go after him for lost royalty and advertising. Think of it this way if he need 1 Million a year in sales just to pay the bills. i.e. he makes no profit at 1 Million in sales he does not really have the option to close without potentially having to pay Sonic the royalty and advertising due, based on sales, for the duration of the franchise agreement!

This is why you will often see unprofitable franchise units continue to operate or for sale so cheap(think Quuiznos or Subway), it is not that they are profitable as the franchisee is on the hook for the fees for the duration of the FA.

All this being said, are you so sure the homeowners have as much at stake?

Royalties vary between 4 and 5% of gross and advertising is 5.6 of gross so let's call it 10% for both. That means if he needs 1 million a year in sales to break even (i.e. not one dime in his pocket) sonic gets 100k a year. If he decided to close with 15 years left on his FA, because he has not made a profit, he still has to settle with potentially the land lessor, the building owner, and Sonic corporation. So 15 years are 100K of missed royalty and advertising fees is 1.5 million he could realistically owe plus what ever to get out of the lease and settlement on the building.

That is why you don't sign a personal guarantee with a franchisor.

Anonymous said...

I know the developer who designed that tragedy out there drove a Mercedes and lived in Bannockburn. He was shy about letting people know. If the Sonic franchise needs 1 million in liquid assets and a 1 million dollar net worth to open a store and he has opened several in the area and want to open more than I'd be surprised if he's driving around in anything less than a Mercedes. I'd probably think that statement is right. Regardless the point being made is the city and the neighborhood already made concessions to bring the business here, now they want more. When does it become a deal breaker for the people who have to live next to it? Also IIRC that corner was a TIF district so knowing Aurora they gave some kind of tax incentive when they opened. I also agree with the poster above, the homeowners have more at stake because they live there 24/7 and have to deal with open exhaust vehicles, booming stereos, fried food smells and all the trash that hits those retention ponds that surround that development. I wonder who cleans those out? My guess is no one and eventually it all finds it's way back to the river and our drinking water.

Anonymous said...

Regardless the point being made is the city and the neighborhood already made concessions to bring the business here, now they want more.

I do not disagree. I just objected to the tone that seem to imply a "get the rich guy" mentality.

It would be interesting to obtain the Sonic FDD and FA and see if any hour stipulations are present and if so how the FA was amended to accommodate the city, as Sonic has to approve the franchise location before the franchise is actually allowed to open.

The other point is Sonic currently awards a franchise to those who pledge to open a minimum of two units. So the threat may be bogus depending on how Sonic defines a territory.

However I am sure the bastions of small business development at the city already knew all this.

The city needs to get rid of (in order of importance)

1) O'Connor
2) Kifowit
3) Irvin
4) Hart-Burns
5) Peters
6) Garza
7) Keith
8) Mervine
9) Schuler
10)Saville
11)Elmore

and keep Lawrence.

Anonymous said...

Looked up the planning committee minutes. That Sonic is owned by a group called Boom Enterprises. Sonic across the area as reported in Reuters. "Sonic Restaurants, Inc. (SRI), the company's restaurant-operating subsidiary is the principal owner of the new SONIC Drive-In, located at 4023 W. 167th St. in Country Club Hills. The drive-in is expected to open in summer 2008. SRI will also develop a drive-in in Lockport scheduled to open in winter
2008 with additional plans to further develop the South suburbs.

West Chicagoland SONIC (Aurora, Bartlett)

Boom Enterprises, a franchise group, will develop the Western suburbs of Chicago in Kane, Dupage, and Northwest Cook counties. The franchise group
recently broke ground on its first location at 2974 Kirk Rd. in Aurora which is expected to open in summer 2008. Additional locations will follow later in the year and into following years.

North/Northwest Chicagoland SONIC (Lake and McHenry Counties) Cywinski Enterprises led by John Cywinski has plans to develop the North/Northwest Chicago suburbs, including Lake and McHenry Counties.

Cywinski's first drive-in will be located at 1090 South Randall Road in Algonquin and is scheduled to open in fall 2008. The franchise group plans to open its second and third drive-ins in summer 2009; however the locations are
still being negotiated. Cywinski Enterprises plans to open 15 drive-ins over the next several years."

I think the city could have done better out there. They married the first ugly girl that came along. I keep thinking of all the A&W drive-ins or more recently the Checkers chain that saturated Chicago and the surrounding area. No indoor seating in a cold weather climate, I'll give them 5 years like Checkers. If I lived over next to them I'd be afraid that the city will let them stay open till midnight or later like the commercials state. Then next year when business drops off even further they'll be looking to stay open 24 hours. You might as well bulldoze the residences around them when that happens.

Anonymous said...

I love that expression. This city government does marry the first ugly girl that comes along. every time. because they've never gone anywhere else to see what pretty actually looks like.

Anonymous said...

9:27:

If the Sonic franchise needs 1 million in liquid assets and a 1 million dollar net worth to open a store and he has opened several in the area and want to open more than I'd be surprised if he's driving around in anything less than a Mercedes.

Just a point, I exceed both the figures above and I own two vehicles, a 1994 and a 1999 and both vehicles cost around 13k when new.

The reason I mention it is, though you are making intelligent points, they have a taint of class warfare to them.

Not every one who saves a bit of money and invests that capital in a business is so rich robber baron type. Some people are simply businessmen who start businesses because that is what they do.

Regards...

Anonymous said...

If I made anything close to even a half a million dollars I wouldn't be wasting my time living in Aurora. In case you haven't noticed it is class warfare. The city council causes these feelings by trivializing the middle class and the need for better neighborhoods by always putting the needs of more revenue first.

Anonymous said...

If I made anything close to even a half a million dollars I wouldn't be wasting my time living in Aurora.

Made, you mean per year, or as in total net worth?


In case you haven't noticed it is class warfare. The city council causes these feelings by trivializing the middle class and the need for better neighborhoods by always putting the needs of more revenue first.


I do not get your point, perhaps if you typed slowly to aid my comprehension :)

The way I read this is the more revenue first attitude leads to trivializing the middle class and the need for better neighborhoods.

And the above does not compute with me. What does that have to do with class warfare? I am lost here, but it sounds like you have a point, unfortunately I am not getting it. Please try again.

Anonymous said...

I understand the guys point totally. Maybe you should take some remedial reading classes.