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Thursday, September 17, 2009

Was Rep. Joe Wilson Correct? Was Obama Planning to Give Illegal Residents Health Coverage But Then Changed?


Anonymous said...

All this from a phoney wetback who didn't have the guts or money to get false teeth until he went to congress and had the people pay for them. This even though he dodged the taxes on his chicago house. Another scum bag socialist demonrat.

Anonymous said...

The current plan is to ram this through without coverage for illegals and then immediately put up a court challenge and the Supreme Court will once again use an erroneous interpretation of the 14th Amendment to give illegals health care.

Remember an activist court is the liberals best friend.

Anonymous said...

Were Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the Democrats trying to sneak in healthcare for illegal aliens so the American taxpayer would have to pay for it?

Were they trying to rush to get this bill passed before the August recess so the American people would not know what was in the bill?

Did they think the American people were too stupid to understand what there were trying to ram down our throats?

Like Sarah Palin would say "YOU BETCHA" to all 3 questions.

Anonymous said...

An ex-gangbanger who is stumping for taxpayer-funded illegal immigration. The core Hispanic community knows he is a cabron, much the same as how core African-Americans feel about Jesse Jackson. They claim to speak for "the people", but only speak for themselves.

Leonard said...

A note on the Carter interpretation and his reading of Joe Wilson's mind.

Does Jimmy Carter have a racist style background himself?

Check out an article in the Washington Examiner entitled, “Jimmy Carter's racist campaign of 1970” which references a book called “The Real Jimmy Carter” by Stephen Hayward.

The article states that Hayward's book points out:

• Carter's top campaign staffers were spotted distributing grainy photographs of Sanders arm-in-arm celebrating with two black men. Sanders was a part-owner of the Atlanta Hawks, and in the photograph he was celebrating a victory with two players who were pouring champagne over his head. Carter's leaflet was intended to depress Sanders's white vote.

• "The Carter campaign also produced a leaflet noting that Sanders had paid tribute to Martin Luther King, Jr."

• Carter criticized Sanders, a former governor, for preventing Alabama Gov. and notorious segregationist George Wallace from speaking on Georgia state property. "I don't think it was right for Governor Sanders to try to please a group of ultra-liberals, particularly those in Washington, when it means stifling communication with another state," said Carter.

• "'I have no trouble pitching for Wallace votes and black votes at the same time,' Carter told a reporter. Carter also said to another reporter, 'I can win this election without a single black vote.'"

• Upon receiving the endorsement of former Democratic Gov. Lester Maddox, Carter responded by praising the life-long segregationist: "He has brought a standard of forthright expression and personal honesty to the governor's office, and I hope to live up to his standard." Maddox had not only refused to serve blacks in the restaurant he once owned, but he had also greeted civil rights protestors with a gun, and made sticks available to his white customers with which to intimidate them.

• "The campaign paid for radio ads for a fringe black candidate, C.B. King, in an effort to siphon black votes away from Sanders."

• "Then there was the radio commercial in which Carter said he would never be the tool of any 'block' vote, slurring over the word 'block' so that it could be mistaken for 'black.'

Read the entire article at:

Anonymous said...

I wonder how Gutierrez would feel after they gave 20 millions wetbacks free healthcare and he had to sit 3 hours in the waiting room before seeing his doctor because of all the illegals ahead of him.

Anonymous said...

Fine. This can all be solved. A national identity card that would prevent you from renting and apartment, getting a driver's license, or getting a job without being able to prove you are here legally. You could include healthcare in that as well. This will never happen, though, as right-wing Christians are terrified that this would fulfill the biblical "mark of the beast" scenario. That, and they want to make money off of cheap labor. The Republicans want it both ways.

Anonymous said...

Actually it can all be solved by simply enforcing the current immigration laws. Have you read the Federal statutes, it is a felony:

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime.

Anonymous said...

Ok, you get right on that. And figure out how to thin them out once they get here. You need a mechanism of some sort.

ID cards for all. If you're a Fundamentalist Christian, we can Micro-chip your forehead. Of course, if you really don't want them gone, you'll keep whining about "enforcing current laws".

What a joke.

Anonymous said...

Yes, let's get busy exporting these illegals. They don't belong here. Period. Let the illegals know they will receive medical help but then they will be immediately taken to the airport for deportation. Same for the pregnant female illegals.

Anonymous said...

There should be bounty offered on illegals and their children. You could reward people with 1/2 the anticipated social service cost. For instance we spend about 10K on educating the child of an illegal alien. So find a family with three children and school and get them deported and pick up a quick 15k. If they are on all kids you should get 1/2 that cost also.

You should also allow illegals to turn in other illegals and collect the money in order to turn the against each other and breed fear in the community. Make their lives so filled with fear and despair that living her and raising children is simply to harsh for them. the idea that these peopel sleep soundly under their roofs at night is disgusting. I want them jumping with every car door slamming, afraid to go to the police, exploited by their own, and afraid to go the hospital when sick.

It is time we turn fear into a weapon against the endless hoard of illegal aliens invading this nation.

Anonymous said...

If we can imprison employers who are found guilty of hiring these illegals, it would also solve most of these problems. They could not survive alone on just food stamps and Link cards.

Anonymous said...

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free," right?

The comments here are pretty disgusting.

Anonymous said...

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free"

No thanks. No more room at the inn. Besides that was a reference to immigrants and immigration is a legal process and they made a positive contribution under sponsorship. Today we have criminal illegal aliens who are on the net takers, they lower living standards, bring diseases, increase crime, and erode the culture this nation's greatness was predicated upon as they replicate the ghettos of their native communities (see anywhere beaners congregate in Aurora).

Anonymous said...

9/18/09 12:41 AM

So, the same thing Americans have said about the Irish, Germans, Italians, Chinese, Japanese, etc. at various points in history. None of that was true...why is this?

Even ignoring humanitarian concerns, if a wizard could wave a wand and teleport everyone who didn't come here legally out, I suspect people might be a bit annoyed after their food prices tripled because of the loss of low-paid exploitable labor.

Think the economy's bad now?

Anonymous said...

I think a lot of people would be willing to pay it.

Anonymous said...

I have always thought that if you hold an opinion on an issue you should look around you at the crowd you find yourself in.

I believe that we should not tolerate lawlessness by allowing our government to look the other way on illegals, but it scares me that I am in the crazy crowd.

The people around me are racists, hateful people. I would hope that there are some law abiding people who are not mean who want to respect the law.


Anonymous said...

How about that Obama administration turning off the water in the valley in California. Just more of his socialist ways to force us to import food that should be locally grown. What a guy.

Anonymous said...

The difference here is the race of immigrants, not the nationally of past immigrants. Yes, the Irish, Germans and Italians immigrants came in masses to this country but they assimulated into society, paid taxes, learned the English language, didn't rely on handouts, or didn't resort to crime and wasn't catered to. You can't say that about the Mexicans or Latinos.

Anonymous said...

f a wizard could wave a wand and teleport everyone who didn't come here legally out, I suspect people might be a bit annoyed after their food prices tripled because of the loss of low-paid exploitable labor.

the later is myth that has been propagated for years. the actual labor cost of odd is a small percentage and any labor shortage can be overcome via technology. Due a search and look at what happened in Florida the last decade because of concerns about an illegal alien crackdown. Several large orchards automated, and created high unemployment for illegals sending them deeper into the country side. It also stirred funding to university AG programs that are working on developing more strains that are automation friendly thus creating high value jobs.

to help yo uunderstand this, for automation you want produce that can either be harvested all at once(generally specific gravity in fruits) or can be pressure tested in order to make automation even more cost effective. What you don't want is the trees I grow that ripen over a period of time and take an experienced eye, nose, and hands to harvest. While this is beneficial to home growers it is the bane of AG automation.

The point is the technology is here, it has been deployed, however some politicians have played political games with the funding of the programs that push the technology and crops out to the growers because it was in their interest to perpetuate the myth that the labor of illegal aliens is needed.

Anonymous said...

So, the same thing Americans have said about the Irish, Germans, Italians, Chinese, Japanese, etc. at various points in history. None of that was true...why is this?

Because telecommunications, media, and air fare home was not readily available most of the preceding generations actually said good-bye to their home culture and left without the expectation of retaining family ties and cultural affiliation with their home countries. This aided in assimilation. Look at Aurora there are many families here that make no attempt at assimilation.

And today they have little reasons to do so. Spanish newspapers, bi-lingual ballots, Spanish television stations etc, etc - this is the difference. Immigrants are being encouraged to retain the culture of their origin.

Anonymous said...


Isn't that catering to the Mexicans? Who would pass up an oppotunity like that. The Mexican goverment position is make it on your own or starve or die. Any 3rd world country bordering a rich country will in time make the rich country another 3rd world country. USA will in time be the same as countries in Central and South America. Spanish will become the dominate language and English will eventually fade away. Canada will be next then 3rd world country.

Anonymous said...

3:22 - exactly my point. All that is going on here is what happened to the American Indians. We are being crowded out of out lands and have been exiting, abandoning the cities to the suburbs, from their to retirement communities, and we are not breeding enough to suppress the illegal alien population.

This country is over. There is no will to fight the invasion hoard descending on this country like a plague of locusts. You have an enemy invading this country that is openly hostile to out culture and disrespects the nation that hosts them, this is an invasion.

Anonymous said...

9/18/09 12:42 PM

That's no different than the other groups I mentioned. Someone I know from Wisconsin went to check the town records for geneology but couldn't read them because from the Civil War to around WWI, they were written in German. The official records of a town in the US.

People have always complained about foreign language newspapers and immigrants speaking their own language. It's just as baseless now as it was then. The first generation speaks mostly their native language, the second generation is bilingual, and the third generation speaks mostly English.

Do any of you know more than one language? If so, did you start learning it when you were 30+ years old? If you did, you'd know that mastering a new language is extremely difficult. Spanish-language media are loaded with advertisements to learn English, and learning programs (like Waubonsee's, for example) often have huge waiting lists because immigrants know how important English is.

9/18/09 12:37 PM

Do you have a source for the Florida thing? I'd like to read it if one is available.

9/18/09 10:17 AM

Read what people said about the Irish in the 19th century. You may be surprised.

Anonymous said...

One question. Why is Gutierrez now so upset with Obama that he is speaking out, if illegal immigrants were NEVER covered in the original bill? Guiterrez has always kissed Obama's butt, he would not be upset unless Obama is considering renigged on covering illegals. Guterriez has been working for years to get illegals every benefit legal citizens have. He has marched in immigration protest marches for years. He could care less that this country is already broke and cannot even take care of citizens that are legal, taxpaying, hard-working and law-abiding. Don't drink the Kool-aid America, it is poisin.

Anonymous said...

This is 11:28am. Sorry for the typo, meant to write "it is poison".

Anonymous said...

Gutierrez is another idiot Rep that has to be voted out.

Anonymous said...

OF course Joe Wilson was correct and of course OBAMA was lieing thats all he can do.

Anonymous said...

Like keeping unemployment low while creating millions of new jobs. Now says may get worse before it gets better. Like getting us out of Iraq and Afganistan while increasing troop numbers. Like getting paid by ACORN while collecting donations from them....all lies drunk by the koolaid voters last year. YOU DOLTS!

Anonymous said...

If the government really wanted to slow or stop illegal immigration, they would start going after the businesses that employ them. They won't, therefore, things won't change.

Anonymous said...

Do you have a source for the Florida thing? I'd like to read it if one is available.

Yes I do - somewhere. What i sbelow is not my source but is similar enough that you can see support for the central idea that we not rely on human labor for our harvests and it simply is a choice.

Anonymous said...

Interesting. Thank you for the link.

It seems like at the moment, we do rely on human labor (because of the lack of investment in research), but that's not likely to continue in the future.