Sunday, October 25, 2009

Driving Without English

49 comments:

Anonymous said...

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If English is required to pass a test for citizenship, then why are voting ballots also in Spanish???
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Anonymous said...

Are some laws more "legal" than others?

What part of "illegal" alien is baffling?

Anonymous said...

We keep hearing that illegals have rights.

What are their responsibilites?

Anonymous said...

The only right an illegal alien has is to a bullet between the eyes. It is time we defend our border with lethal force. And then start a bounty program to clean up the rest.

Anonymous said...

OPENLINE....Please remove the comment at 8:51pm.

Anonymous said...

10/25/09 9:18 PM

No, they should leave it in. Much like all the racism that gets posted when people talk about Obama here, comments like that show who we have to work against to have a sane, just, compassionate society.

Anonymous said...

Its about time...Good for them!

Anonymous said...

REMOVE 8:51 NOW !!

Anonymous said...

Leave it.

Anonymous said...

8:51 a.m. did not insult Rick Lawrence, and that is the only way to have a comment removed from Openlineblog.

Anonymous said...

Waubonsee Community College new downtown campus has set up their programming to attract illegals.

Now we are a magnet.

Anonymous said...

They set it up based on what the demand was for. They're a business too. I wonder if you can get student aid if you aren't a legal resident?

When are we going to have national ID cards?

Oh yeah, the fundies won't ever allow that...

Anonymous said...

We are a nation of immigrants. The vast majority of people who have come here from other countries have been a positive force (including undocumented immigrants). Who's to say that if my family was impoverished and threatened with crime on a daily basis that I wouldn't want to move somewhere to make a better life?

I do agree that anyone who wants to live in the U.S. should learn English. But we native-born Americans should be compassionate toward our fellow human beings, and help to TEACH them English! There are many community programs that we can participate in--for example, I'm a volunteer tutor at the Dominican Literacy Center in Aurora.

When I see an immigrant family, I think "there but for the grace of God go I". My religious faith tells me to show compassion and tolerance--and I may need the same compassion and tolerance someday!

Anonymous said...

11:32 - there is nothing racist about 8:52's post. Illegal Aliens are not a race, they can be of any nationality and are. It is ignorant peopel such as yourself whom think Illegal Aliens are restricted to a single group of people who need to review their racist views.

There is nothing wrong with defending your border against invaders, and nothing wrong with using lethal force to do it.

Anonymous said...

Yes, the can get state aid is they are here illegally. In fact, in full violation of Federal Law, criminal illegal aliend invaders can get in State tuition at States colleges.

To show you how ridiculous that is, if you live in Joilet and want to attend Waubonsee you have to pay out of district rates, or if you are from Iowa and want to attend NIU you have to pay out of state tuition rates, but if you are a criminal, illegal alien invader you pay the same rate as citizens!

Crime does pay!

Anonymous said...

You act is if all immigrants want to assimilate. Aurora is filled wiht thousands who only come here to plunder this country, they despise it, refuse to assimilate, and retain their cultural identity. the difference is, in the past peopel left their countries to become "American". The told their spouses to "speak American", they left their homelands with the thought never to return. Now they come here and want us to accommodate them. Let me make it clear, if the crap whole they left was so great they would nto be leaving it - period.

So for those who want to assimilate and break ties with their mother country I say welcome. To the rest - damn you all to hell.

Anonymous said...

8:42 pm

What are these words in your rant?

peopel and nto?

Maybe you should assimilate yourself to a dictionary.

Anonymous said...

11:39 - wow what substance. You really have contributed something to the forum.

Anonymous said...

Wow!...at least it's better than your useless substance. All you contribute is worthless, blatant hatred.

Coward!!!

Anonymous said...

There is nothing wrong with hating the enemy; it makes it easier to eradicate them.

Anonymous said...

1:35pm, Hate is an evil word. I say your the enemy. I think society should eradicate you. Less of your kind would be good start.

Anonymous said...

So eradicate me, I'll be dead and I won't have to put up with the likes of you. The bonus is the suffering of the rabble will begin so in the end I'll have my revenge. That is what happens when you set your sights on punishing the producers in society. You make it sound as if death is something to fear, go ahead it matters not one little bit to me; it happens to everyone sooner or later. I rather like the thought that some liberal do-gooder would kill the goose that lays the golden egg; poetic justice I say.

So like I said, go for it. Your move.

Anonymous said...

Exactly. What you have in Aurora is a bunch of thieves breaking into this country and plundering it: free education for their children, free medical care for their extended family, they are takers. Look at Roy Renteria for example. He preys on illegals, packing them in to pay th erents he demands on his rentals, and maintains an open door policy with this relations so the children of his extended Mexican family can come here illegally and go to U.S. schools. And we hear in this forum how we should tolerate this and have compassion? And on top of they come here and refuse to assimilate. They should be ashamed to speak their native tongue in public, but go into any store and see them wearing Mexican T-Shirts and babbling that 3rd world bull crap. There is no shame in them. They openly violate our laws. What we need is round-up, a little fear in their community.

Anonymous said...

4:53pm & 7:15pm

Is all you can do is shoot off your mouth? All your condescending remarks will not change anything. Continue your hate-filled racist rants and you'll eradicate yourself little by little with your own stress. What a way to enjoy life.

Anonymous said...

10/26/09 4:53 PM

Next time you see the word "racism" in a post don't immediately fly off the handle. Go back and actually read my previous post again.

I'll give you a hint "when people talk about Obama" has nothing to do with illegal immigrants. Unless you're (generic, not you specifically)one of those birther idiots, anyway.

And don't be ridiculous. There's no invasion, and murdering people won't solve the basic economic injustice issues that cause people to come here.

Anonymous said...

Oh, also:

How many people complaining about Spanish or ties to home have lived in another country or speak another language?

一年日本に住んでいる。少し日本語ができるけど、時々妻と買いたりレストランで食べたりするとき、英語を話したい。

Learning another language is not easy, and if so many immigrants didn't want to learn, there wouldn't be such long waiting lists at community English programs or so many ads on Spanish radio for English learning aids.

Anonymous said...

What is economically unjust between the U.S. and Mexico. Explain that in detail.

Mexico is a filthy rich company in terms of natural resources. The problem is the people will not rise up and tax the Mexicans who prey on other Mexicans.

The kindest thing you can do for Mexico is to drive every Mexican back to Mexico, the revolution would start in two weeks. It is a corrupt crap whole. they need a bloody revolution there.

What is unjust is a U.S. policy that furnishes an escape valve to Mexico keeping its people form confronting the ugly truth of that nation.

And guess what, a military presence on the border authorized to use lethal force would end the problem almost over night.

Mexico's problems belong to Mexico. Our problem is keeping their trash and litter out of our country.

Anonymous said...

Conservatively it is reported that 11% of all Mexican citizens live in the U.S. You don' think that is an invasion, when over 11% of a nations population sneaks into another country and starts demanding the same rights as citizens? That means that over one in ten people born in Mexico now reside in the U.S.

The numbers are from the April 19th edition of the Washington times.

Anonymous said...

10/27/09 10:04 PM
Your focus on people getting killed is noted, if not particularly useful.

As for economic injustice, go look up what NAFTA and American corn subsidies did to poor Mexican farmers.

As for your other plan, even ignoring that it's cold-blooded murder the likes of which old communist East Germany would be proud and would rightfully make the US an international pariah, where are you going to find all the troops to patrol the whole border?

10/27/09 10:32 PM
I don't doubt those numbers. I wouldn't use invasion because it implies formalized intent. There's no central authority issuing commands to all 11 million illegal immigrants.

They'll assimilate in time. People complained about the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, the Chinese, and everyone else, but the pattern is always the same. The first generation barely speaks English and keeps their homeland's traditions, the second generation is bingual and bicultural and the third generation is fully assimilated.

Also, neither of you answered my second question. Have you ever lived abroad, and do you speak any other languages than English?

Anonymous said...

The only right an illegal alien has is to a bullet between the eyes. It is time we defend our border with lethal force. And then start a bounty program to clean up the rest.
I agree whole heartedly on this one. No more illegals! time for all of you to go home, just leave, you have all wore out the welcome matts, now its time to leave!

Anonymous said...

From the same people that brought you the "Mexican Swine Flu", remember that from Jan 09', when all the Mexicans got upset about the name. For all the crashes involving "Illegal Democrats" and booze. Look at all the serious crashes and see the names of the unlicensed drivers!
How could you get a Legal Drivers License, without paying George Ryan,
without reading English? God Bless the cops that enforce the laws and have the "balls" to still enforce the laws, when the monday morning quarterbacks sit there and criticize them.
Look what the obama's female head of homeland security has tried to do to the Sheriff in Arizona that was enforcing the illegal democrats entry into the country. She tried to bully him into stop enforcing immigration laws...

Anonymous said...

The population of Mexico is over 104,000,000. More than half of it's citizens live in poverty, That is about 51,000,000 Mexican men, women and children.

How many should we welcome to Aurora? How many do we accept into our school system. How many can our free healthcare accomodate without denying US citizens.

Please let us know.

Anonymous said...

Christ said, "render unto caesar". That means we are to obey the law of the land.

Conspiring with illegals is illegal.

Anonymous said...

Aurora is a railroad city. The railroad was built by Mexicans. They came here and lived in boxcars, raised their families here and became our early residents.

Many citizens of Aurora are 4th and 5th generations. They have as much (or maybe more) right to claim this city as their home.

Having said that, the issue of illegals is not centered on ethnics. The focus should be on becoming Americans.

This is the first wave of "immigrants" that do not want to accept the American way of life.

This is the first group that has told us that we need to accomodate them, speak their language, and benefit from our system by sending billions of dollars "HOME".

There is only one flag.

Anonymous said...

Part of that comes from being "next door"...but very well put.

Anonymous said...

"This is the first wave of "immigrants" that do not want to accept the American way of life."

No, it's not. I know someone who lives in a town in Wisconsin. The newspapers and official town government records, from before the Civil War to around World War I, are in German.

This is not the first immigrant group people have said refuses to assimilate, and it won't be the last.

Of course, I can't blame some of them for wanting to keep their old traditions, considering the abuse that's routinely heaped on them by some circles. That just encourages stronger cultural identification.

Anonymous said...

Official records "are in German" until WWI. They seem to have integrated about 90 years ago. What's your point?

Germania, Wisconsin is now a tourist town and they have kept
their culture as a gimick.

All immigrant groups became "neighborhoods" in cities and some small towns grew in population centered on families.

They hardly effected our national
economy, our national school budgets or our daily life as this wave of illegals has.

This blatent flaunting of law is unprecedented and is bringing America to the brink of disaster.

Anonymous said...

Is it really? How do you support that claim?

Anonymous said...

"Official records "are in German" until WWI. They seem to have integrated about 90 years ago. What's your point?"

That is my point. They integrated after a while, this group will too. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Anonymous said...

There has never been a bilingual program with the integration of foreign students before. Now children are being taught all classes in their foreign language for most of their schooling.

A crash course in English is what is needed to integrate these kids. They even speak Spanish at work.

Some businesses do not even have signs in English. They only cater to Spanish speaking people.

How arrogant.

Anonymous said...

I should take this opportunity to tell you about a diet I started in January. So far I lost 31 lbs and it was an easy diet to follow. I carry a couple of apple sand a banana with me. If I want to go out to eat and the establishment has workers speaking Spanish I don't eat there and simply eat the apples and banana instead. this has eliminated McDonald's and Taco bell from my diet for example. I have found myself grabbing a lot of sandwiches at convenience stores where the employees speak English. That simple shift also lead to healthier fare.Just say "no" to businesses that have employees whom speak Spanish publicly.

Anonymous said...

Part of the problem is simply the proximity of Mexico. Ireland is a long ways off as is Germany. Those coming here return home frequently and far too many radio stations and TV stations have sprung up that allow Spanish speakers to get along in their native language. Add to this politicians and businesses that prey upon group affiliation and you have a true barrier.

Funny thing, Hispanics at one time were classified as white and the problem was not so acute in the past. Now days their is a deliberate attempt to retain cultural identity and promote the myth of Aztalan and other ethnic identity charades.

Anonymous said...

Part of that is numbers. A large groups of people with Spanish as their native language means there's a huge market for Spanish-language programming. Capitalism at work.

Anyone who's lived in another country knows that learning a foreign language can be exhausting. Especially at the early stages, it takes an enormous amount of concentration to understand anything. I don't see much of a problem with people relaxing once in a while.

You'll get the occasional person who refuses, but their children will be bilingual, and their grandchildren will be bilingual or monolingual in English.

That's not even counting the people who are afraid or embarassed to practice English in public because they've met one too many people like some of the posters in this thread who demand they go back to Mexico or ridicule them every time they make a mistake.

Anonymous said...

Yes and when I go to foreign countries I at least try and speak the language and certainly do not scream in my native tongue and babble on incessantly with other English speakers. And gee what do you know, my maternal grandparents were immigrants and miracle of miracles they both learned English as adults! Do most of these spicks in Aurora even try? No! You go to a grocery store and there they are screaming in that 3rd world gutter language at the top of their lungs, no discretion.

On the other hand the many Polish, Asian and ex-Russian immigrants here make the attempt and seem very discrete.

Anonymous said...

A spick is a whop or dago. A wetback is a Mexican. Then there's the pollack, the kraut or blockhead, the coon and don't forget the slant-eye.

I'm an American. what are you?

Anonymous said...

"I'm an American."

You mean "I'm a sep," right?

Anonymous said...

Anybody noticed how many people born here that cannot read, write or speak English?

Anonymous said...

10/31/09 11:32 AM

If you want to make a point, being racist isn't the way to go about it. Not that that ever stopped too many people on this blog.

What about Spanish people speaking Spanish?

Anonymous said...

If Spanish people want to speak Spanish them do it in Spain.