"Should Moratorium on Death Penalty Be Lifted?"No.
Yes, For this person "Yes".Sgt. Ralph Retired.
As Rev. Jesse Jackson told an audience of 600 that came out for a Chicago rally to mark the second anniversary of the Illinois moratorium: "You couldn’t really fix slavery. You couldn’t modify it...We had to abolish the slavery system. Let’s abolish the death penalty."
Capital punishment is cruel and unusual. Like those other barbaric practices, executions have no place in a civilized society.Death penalty demonstrates a lack of respect for human life in which state-authorized killings is immoral. It deprives an individual of benefits of new evidence or new law that might warrant the reversal of a conviction or the setting aside of a death sentence.It is applied randomly at best and discriminatorily at worst. It is imposed disproportionately upon the convicted blacks, those who are themselves poor and uneducated.
I agree. A decent and humane society does not deliberately kill decent human beings. Capital punishment does not stop crime, and the death penalty is racist, uncivilized and unfair.
I'm not opposed to the death penalty in these type of cases, where there's no doubt about the guilt of the person, but given the history of prosecutor and police errors and/or misconduct, I would keep the moratorium for any case where there's disputes as to the guilt of the party.
The Moratorium was was imposed largely because of the way the DuPage County State's Attorneys Office railroaded two guys for Jeanine's murder. It doesn't make sense to lift it in lieu of their actions.
Some countries practice Draconian methods of punishment, and guess what? It works. If you steal something, you lose your hands, if you rape someone you lose your head.Saudi's decapitate people who commit rape or sexual assault against children. One swoop of the sword and it's over. Their rate of violent rapists who commit further crimes on society are 0%. We have violent felons who are released only to commit further rapes, murders, and robberies. Sometimes I think that those fundemental Muslims have it right when it comes to "criminal justice".There is a serial killer just caught in Cleveland who let up to eleven corpses rot in his duplex. He was arrested after serving fifteen years for rape in 2005. Well, those eleven women would still be alive had it not been for our lenient justice system. Am I wrong? Tell me why, (other than it may make you feel better) Dugan should live. I see no reason, capital punishment makes me almost sick, but I believe it is justified in this case.
Yes - he needs to be exterminated.
11/12/09 12:18 PMBecause justice performed by humans is never infallible, and because dead people cannot protest their conviction. The fact that innocent people have been executed by the state because of prosecutors' or the public's bloodthirst should horrify anyone.Also, draconian punishments don't serve as an effective deterrent because criminals do not expect that they will be caught.
Did they ever really prove Dugan killed all these people? NO. But lets kill him anyway so we can have closure.
Did he not admit to this crime? Do you not think that that is infallible? Maybe he's just crazy. Maybe he wants to clear his soul. Consider that I can say with 100% certainty that the Major who shot all of those soldiers at Fort Hood is guilty. You don't need a court, appeals, he doesn't need to protest his conviction. But please, I guess it's infallible when there are all those eyewitnesses, much like it is infallible when other murders and armed robberies are caught on tape.Many think we should not execute him because of police misconduct, or investigative errors, or whatever, blindly ignoring the fact that he is guilty of mass murder and deserves the die.Not one ever says that the death penalty is easy, but could anyone, please anyone tell me why we should let Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan live? Why should Brian Dugan live after admitting to a rape/murder of a child?
"Not one ever says that the death penalty is easy, but could anyone, please anyone tell me why we should let Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan live? Why should Brian Dugan live after admitting to a rape/murder of a child?"Why should we kill people to demonstrate how wrong killing is? How do you have 100% certainty that they committed those crimes? Eyewitnesses can be wrong (it is, in fact, quite common for witnesses to have differing accounts because human memory is often quite faulty), confessions can be forced, and so on. The purpose of the justice system should be rehabilitation, if possible, and separation from society if impossible. But as long as people believe that criminals are somehow categorically different than "normal" people, it won't be.
Dugan isn't "normal". He's not like other criminals. I had a teacher in middle school who mudered her lesbian lover back in Indianapolis. She caught her with another woman. Well, it was not a heat of the moment type killing. She put the gun in her "region" and emptied an entire clip. She then RELOADED and emptied another clip. She's not "normal" and never will be. Freakin' sick. Guess what she was sentenced to 20 years and gets out next summer. I don't think that anyone who does something like that is "normal" and can never be rehabilitated. What good is rehabilitation for convicted murderers and rapists?
11/12/09 5:05 PMGo look up the Milgram Experiment. The difference between a "normal person" and a murderer is much narrower than you think."I don't think that anyone who does something like that is "normal" and can never be rehabilitated."Why not?
Why?? It's freaking sadistic and twisted. Did you read what the teacher did? When the teacher is released would you like to live in her community? Do you know what Dugan did? Was Manson normal? Ted Bundy? Jeffrey Dahmer? Ask yourself this, if the Marines capture bin Laden does he deserve to live? This is coming from a liberal voter.What does the Milgram experiment prove? Look at the video of the experiment. The subjects didn't want to shock the other person, they just felt compelled to follow orders and remain obedient.
Here is what should be done to Dugan. His testicles should slowly be dissolved in oil, and fire ants should feast ont he rest of his genitalia. He should then be repeatedly sodomized by a stallion until he is literally f-ed to death via internal injuries. My opinion. You know why so many of our service men are not taken alive anymore? Because they fear what the enemy will do to them. The punishment needs to fit the crime. Not just death, but a slow, agonizing one is what is called for. Bu tour Constitution prohibits justice, therefore the PC thing to do is kill him humanely.
I don't think that the above answer would deter a person as sick as Dugan, as depressing as that sounds. He's looking for a death wish.Draconian methods would work in a number of cases though. If a judge sentenced Bernad Madoff to have his hands cut off, and this punishment applied to all ponzi schemes, insurance frauds, insider traders, naked short sellers, and any other white collar criminals, well I think a lot of prospectuses ande company stat sheets would instantly change to reflect actual profits and losses. People would not lose their pensions and retirements to millionare and billionare criminals.
I think a better punishment would be to remove their eyelids and make them look at naked pictures of Whoopi Goldberg.
Kill him! If you, or any of your family members have not been a victim of a violent crime, then you dont understand! If this was your sister, daughter, wife would you want this piece of garbage alive in prison, living off of your tax dollars, watching tv, and lifiting weights?
11/12/09 6:26 PM"When the teacher is released would you like to live in her community? Do you know what Dugan did? Was Manson normal? Ted Bundy? Jeffrey Dahmer?" This is also part of the problem with the way society deals with criminals. So you commit a crime, serve time in prison, and are released. Now the public ostracizes you and a lot of jobs won't hire you. So your career options are...crime, which you've learned plenty about after being in jail with other criminals. "Ask yourself this, if the Marines capture bin Laden does he deserve to live?"No, not really. But what determines that we have the right to kill him?"What does the Milgram experiment prove? Look at the video of the experiment. The subjects didn't want to shock the other person, they just felt compelled to follow orders and remain obedient."Sigh...I don't want to, but I have to Godwin this. You know where "I was just following orders" was shown to be an invalid defense, yes?My point was ignoring their intent. I was just saying that under certain circumstances, otherwise ordinary people will murder someone else in cold blood. 11/12/09 6:56 PMAwesome. Torture porn. And by awesome, I mean "not awesome.""If this was your sister, daughter, wife would you want this piece of garbage alive in prison, living off of your tax dollars, watching tv, and lifiting weights?"No, I'd probably want him tortured to death.But so what? If someone cuts me off in traffic after a bad day at work, my first instinct is to run them off the road. That shouldn't be legal either. We shouldn't give in to our baser instincts when crafting law.On the subject of rehabilitation, take the soldiers at My Lai, who murdered hundreds of unarmed civilians during the Vietnam War. Only one was ever convicted, and he served only three years. I don't think many people would argue that the participants were "Freakin' sick," since they were murdering unarmed women, children and infants with automatic weaponry. Just as cruel as anything described in this thread so far...and yet, they didn't go on commit further crimes when they came back home (as far as I am aware).Or the Nazi prison guard who was deported six months ago. He was an auto mechanic for decades in America after moving here. These are somewhat extreme examples, but that's my point. There's no categorical "us," who can safely pass judgement from on top of our pedestal down on "them," who are different. Strange. Barely human, in fact.After all, it's easier to claim they are "just born that way" or "just different" than to try to understand why.
Jesse Jackson? Anything he is for we should be against!He is a pathetic excuse for a human.
Most of you who are against capital punishment are for abortion! That drives me crazy.Innocent life is the unborn. That is who you should be fighting for.Those who are rightfully convicted of murder deserve death.
Hands across Illinois for Brian Dugan. Sheesh, why is it not acceptable to execute child raping pederast murderers? I read about arguements about NAZI officers who led normal lives, What? The Milgram experiment, What? Public ostrization, What? Jesse Jackson, What? Serial killing teachers, What? These comments are going in every direction.I don't think that the death penalty is cruel and unusual for a man as evil as Brian Dugan. Line him up against a firing squad, cse closed.
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