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Thursday, October 28, 2010

Some City of Aurora Employees Ask for Job Buyouts | Who's Next to Go?

As the City of Aurora contemplates how to trim a massive deficit, 30 employees have volunteered to take buyouts by December 3rd.  They could resign by then, but sources say a few of them may change their mind.

Of the 30 employees, 12 are from the Aurora Fire Department (only 4 management) and 5 from the Aurora Police Department.

Even if all the buyouts were to proceed, it only trims a small amount of the deficit, so it leaves the larger question of the administration's request for a 10% salary reduction and how many others will be terminated.

So, we ask...which City of Aurora departments should see staffing cuts and who should go?

118 comments:

Anonymous said...

So when is the pay and retirement problem going to be addressed by these geniuses?

Anonymous said...

Get rid of all of the mayor's staff and spokespeople. Get rid of Special Events. Get rid of Alayne Weingartz,Alex Alexandrou, Dan Barrerio, Carie Anne Ergo, Rosario Deleon, Chuck Nelson and Bea Torres.

Anonymous said...

I will pay for Alayne to leave. If we paid her $500,000.00, we would save money

Anonymous said...

From what I hear, the fire department as well as the police department are over staffed. The biggest problem seems to be that there are too many managers at the top that aren't really necessary. If the mayor can cut 10% from the first line employees, and 30% from the management level, this city could save a bundle and still provide excellent service to the citizens. Most of these positions have been created along the way under idea that more supervision was needed. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most firemen and policemen can handle themselfs while doing their jobs.

Anonymous said...

Be real in the fact that you have to have a Lawyer to advise you on the law. Im not saying I support Weingartz, I don't, but it is a needed position. I totally agree with getting rid of Ergo and his other "chiefs of staff, city spokesmen, media buffers, that seem to change job titles every month to camouflage their jobs etc. etc...Maybe have one "go to guy" but 4 or 5---come on! You got all the Alderman to use also! And don't forget that after the city workers got salary cuts or gave money back that the city hall insiders listed by 8:21 all got significant raises that were "explained" by saying their work load increased. Well didn't all those others work load increase when their coworkers were let go! Pure democrat mentality. Never let a crisis go to waste-and fill your 401k in the meantime. l

Anonymous said...

How about you resigning Lawrence? Then you would have even more time to bash Kiffy on this blog.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous 11:00 AM. The Police & Fire are overstaffed? Who told you that, the Mayor??? What I've heard is the police are down 20 from full authorized strength. Do you want the Aurora of the 1980's? When the police went from shooting to shooting filling out paperwork, or going from call to call with no proactive patrols.

You said "Most firemen and policemen can handle themselfs (sp) while doing their jobs." How long would you last on that job if you had to wait longer for a back up officer to help you wrestle a gangbanger or fight a drunk trying to take your weapon. How ffing arrogant of you to know what they would go through.

You want to pay higher costs for the inevitable injuries? Or higher overtime pay to make up for a lack of officers on a shift?

Overstaffed my arse.

Chief Thomas said lay offs are coming, he's 99% sure. What will you honestly say when a panhandler gets too aggressive with you or your spouse at Jewel or Wal-Mart? Will you say, where are the da*n cops when you need them? Well they're laid off. Enjoy the future Aurora that's coming. You can really thank Weisner for spending like a drunken sailor and still not stopping.

He should have taken a sober adult look at the economy last year and restricted spending then - so he could save vital city services now.

Signed: A concerned Citizen

Anonymous said...

The two alderman at large, Barrerio, Ergo, Allissa Lewis, Chuck Nelson, Bea Torres, Mark Anderson, Allisa Lewis, Gina Moga, Cheryl Maffilo and Bill Weit and city youth services. What do any of these people do. Lewis and Torres were just appointed while others were losing their jobs. The Mayor should do is own job he has a bigger staff than Mayor Daily.

Anonymous said...

Police are down and crime in Aurora is up. Thomas recently admitted 93 shooting in Aurora last year. But the Beacon never printed it.

Anonymous said...

To 4:13 PM, the Beacon doesn't print anything anymore, get a load of their new website, it is worthless.

Anonymous said...


Overstaffed my arse.


Maybe, maybe not. But they are definitely overpaid and over compensated.

Anonymous said...

thank Weisner for spending like a drunken sailor and still not stopping.
As a city employee. to my fellow Aurora residents,Tom Weisner is going to build his dream park along south broadway..no matter how many city employees it takes or laying off cops and firemen. He has stated, he will have his park, and now the state of ILL has promissed to give 8 million dollars to help build his park...where is the state going to get this money???? wiesner has got to go! He simply does not care...he just wants to make sure he has his park with his name on it...thats all he wants! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS!

Anonymous said...

Hey Ask Wiesner how much the city spent on those GO GREEN AURORA signs...that will piss you off...Im not telling you, ask tommy!

Anonymous said...

Ask
Joe hopp how much tax dollars are going to be spent on the new landscape at the RT-59 train station? I dare anyone to ask Joe...bet you wont get any info on that...Go Wally mundy!

ddddc said...

The Mayor is defiantly on a power grab. Don't forget that the Mayor doesn't have the power to just "cut" the cops salary or he would. Years ago the public realized that the Police would have too much power if they were allowed to go on strike, so in exchange for giving up the right to strike they have to have their salaries and benefits decided by binding arbitration- a neutral Judge agreed to by the city and the police union. Thats where the city always looses. When a neutral party is pulled in to decide what is right or wrong, if the city is telling the truth or lying, and if the city is living up to their contracts and commitments, the city almost always looses. And they will in this event also. Wait for the Cops contract to be settled and I bet the arbitrator will allow a modest raise for the contract. That tells you that the Mayor has money, he just wants to spend it on what he wants to spend it on. The Mayor doesn't build any credibility or support for the people that work under him so he can't "ask" them and get support for anything. They see his waste and handouts to his real supporters like Mundy and the non-city labour unions that he hands out his contracts like the Police palace, parks, and building teardowns from former taxable property he buys for the city. The Police agreed salary reduction a year ago only to see the Mayor slap them in face by giving his close city hall staff big raises, throwing big money at parks, and giving big contracts to his cronies! If the public wants to support him by laying off street-Cops, because thats the first to go under the contract, so be it.

Anonymous said...

To me the riverfront park is a luxury. And now isn't the time for luxury spending. Thats why I wont vote for Quinn or Weisner(when he's up). Streets, Police/ambulance, snow removal, thats the priority the Mayor should be focused on. And the citizens don't care!

Anonymous said...

First of all, the park is to please the majority. Who's the majority you ask?,... why the mexicans of course. And why would Weisner care about pleasing the mexicans who are now the majority you ask?,...to get re-elected of course. Secondly, the mexicans don't worry about property tax increases because most rent in Section 8 housing or either have five families living in a single residential home. Pretty clever of Weisner, huh?

Anonymous said...

8:36
The police "pay cut" was not a reduction in wages. The police agreed to reduce their reporting time by 10 minutes. Officers reported for duty 20 minutes before their shift started. They received 20 minutes of pay at an overtime rate. They agreed to reduce that to 10 minutes That is NOT a pay cut -- it is a rediction in hours. Other city employees took up to 10 unpaid days off.

Labor arbitration for police officers is a bad deal for the taxpayer. Each side (the City and the Union) submit their last best offer. The arbitrator picks one. The police have little to loose and the bill is paid by taxpayers.

The police should be like every other union. If the city and union cannot agree, the union goes on strike. Then both sides can explain their positions to the taxpayers. Afterall the taxpayers pay the bills.

Arbitration has resulted in public sector wages rising at a much higer rate than in the private sector.

While private sector employees were seeing wage freezes and wage reductions - public sector employees saw payraises as the result of the arbitration system.

Most arbitrators are pro-union and have no regard for the taxpayer.

Anonymous said...

To 8:36-spoken like a true non-union disgruntled city employee who has to sit there and eat the sh*t sandwich served to him who turns his anger towards the cops instead of the mayor.

Anonymous said...

Who's answering the 911 calls while the police are on strike genious?

Anonymous said...

Police calls would be answered by Sgt's, Lt's and other police management Just like Fire Dept responded to the Fire Union strike in the 1980's. In addition back-up would be provided through mutual aide agreements with adjacent communities and state police.

Of course a strike would only occur if the Police Union thought that they could explain to the taxpayers their need for more money.

Have you ever noticed that when teachers strike they get very little public support for more money. The cops would find the same atitude and that is why they would not strike. Before arbitration requirement there were few police strikes

Anonymous said...

4:42. You are truly an idiot who has no idea of the volume of police calls in the city of Aurora! there is a huge differece in the occasional fire and dealing with a gang member, bank robbery, and all the other 911 calls. And the lieutnants and Seargents are all in unions and fighting against the mayors evil plans.

Anonymous said...

6:42 Is obviously a cop who thinks that the city would totally disintigrate whithout him. Get over yourself.

Anonymous said...

7:27~who is 6:42? Nobody understands what you mean or who your talking about?

Anonymous said...

To 5:42-The cops aren't asking for more money. Know your facts. They mayor is demanding they break the contract that he signed and agree to and take a 10 percent pay cut. The police lived up to their word, weisner needs to live up to his! Your only as good as your word. Why aren't you concerned about all his throw away wasteful spending?

Anonymous said...

I would rather have a cop on the payroll than all the mayors aides. He just gave Bea Torres and Allisa Lewis a promotion he got money for that. Who does this guy think he is Mayor Daily.

Anonymous said...

Weisner could not stand up to a forensic audit of his spending. Corruption is not just for Chicago.

Anonymous said...

Why did the union go to the Beacon with the story of the proposed layoff of 20 cops rather than come to Openline?

Today's Beacon has the story - where are the Openline reporters.

Interesting

Anonymous said...

No problem, don't cut their pay. Lay off a commander, 2 lieutenants, 6 sergeants and 14 patrol. Let the ones left all bump down and repick their shifts and vacations, and the remaining employees keep their pay and benefits! Win win!

No law or contract says the city can't cut staff guys, better deal with the new reality, huffing and puffing won't make the mayor go away. Checkbook is empty. You may not like what the money was spent on, but its gone. You better deal with that fact, or some of you are going bye bye.......

Ralph said...

Lets hear from our alderman, seems like the first place they cut is the guy at the bottom.

I have lived in my home on the east side for going on 5 years now and still receive letters inviting the former owner to attend committee meetings.

We elected you and its now time to stand up and be heard.

Sgt Ralph (retired)

Anonymous said...

Deal with it, police. It's a new world out there and at the City. Employees in one Aurora Union were laid off last year and so were lots of part-time workers. Other Unions also took furlough days reducing the bottom line for them and their families.

So what did you guys give up? Half of your clothing allowance and a huge (cough, cough) sacrifice of fifteen minutes of OVERTIME PAYMENT each working day. Yeah, that's what your early reporting was.

Some nice little perk from the dark ages when the City got sucked into giving you something for nothing. A nice time for you to get some extra bucks before roll call and your daily trip to the gas station snack shop for your gum and necessary fortifications for the day.

As I remember, you are also paid for your lunch time, aren't you?

This year, you took no furloughs, you suffered no layoffs and you still have one of the best financial packages going when compared to other police forces in the State.

I'd like to see the Beacon publish the top salaries of the Police Department so everybody could know just how many tax dollars you can actually rack up on the job in overtime. And please, don't tell us how it was all due to chasing down thugs and murderers in the dark while running through gang-infested back yards.

Don't you get a minimum of three hours for any court attendance? Or is it four? How often are you actually in court for that length of overtime? How much tax payer money is wasted while you are sitting home afterward eating a sandwich and watching television for a few more hours? Would you like to give that back the same as reporting time?

How many workmens comp claims are filed by policemen? I am sure that many of them are legit, but let's see some details of the spectacular scam cases and what your union did to have the rogue officer come clean. Did you stonewall and BS to help cover it all up?

People all over the country are being faced with the new reality. Just because you agreed to something last year does not justify your failure to see the need to make adjustments this year.

Ward committee money has dropped and with it some needed things in our neighborhoods. Sounds like APPO needs a reality check but it might be hard for many of you to realize that as you commute to and from your homes far off on the horizon where this community's problems are not your own.

Go ahead and be angry. It's always easier to push it off on the other guy like the Mayor, City Council, elected officials in Springfield, other City workers, other unions, the media, and Washington.

Take part in the sacrifice, like working people are doing all over, or face layoffs for your "brothers and sisters."

Anonymous said...

Deal with it, police. It's a new world out there and at the City. Employees in one Aurora Union were laid off last year and so were lots of part-time workers. Other Unions also took furlough days reducing the bottom line for them and their families.

So what did you guys give up? Half of your clothing allowance and a huge (cough, cough) sacrifice of fifteen minutes of OVERTIME PAYMENT each working day. Yeah, that's what your early reporting was.

Some nice little perk from the dark ages when the City got sucked into giving you something for nothing. A nice time for you to get some extra bucks before roll call and your daily trip to the gas station snack shop for your gum and necessary fortifications for the day.

As I remember, you are also paid for your lunch time, aren't you?

This year, you took no furloughs, you suffered no layoffs and you still have one of the best financial packages going when compared to other police forces in the State.

I'd like to see the Beacon publish the top salaries of the Police Department so everybody could know just how many tax dollars you can actually rack up on the job in overtime. And please, don't tell us how it was all due to chasing down thugs and murderers in the dark while running through gang-infested back yards.

Don't you get a minimum of three hours for any court attendance? Or is it four? How often are you actually in court for that length of overtime? How much tax payer money is wasted while you are sitting home afterward eating a sandwich and watching television for a few more hours? Would you like to give that back the same as reporting time?

How many workmens comp claims are filed by policemen? I am sure that many of them are legit, but let's see some details of the spectacular scam cases and what your union did to have the rogue officer come clean. Did you stonewall and BS to help cover it all up?

People all over the country are being faced with the new reality. Just because you agreed to something last year does not justify your failure to see the need to make adjustments this year.

Go head and be angry. It's always easier to push it off on the other guy like the Mayor, City Council, elected officials in Springfield, other City workers, other unions, the media, and Washington.

Take part in the sacrifice, like working people are doing all over, or face layoffs for your "brothers and sisters."

Anonymous said...

worth two posts............

Anonymous said...

Just wait til you bastards call the police because your loved one got raped, you got mugged, your car stolen or your house set on fire. Then you will be told, sorry, all officers are on other calls, you are number 30 in queue.

Anonymous said...

8:52-Lay em off! You think thats going to "hurt" the union? or delay needed help and response time to citizens in need? And if the remaining cops wont take the overtime that will be needed to fill the voids, thats going to be a real problem. If they didn't need as few cops as they have they would be offering furlough days, but they aren't, are they? Its just a maneuver by the the Mayor to try to get more money back. Aint no layoffs gunna happen any time soon! Be mad at your Mayor for signing bad contracts, bad concession deals, and wasting your money while diverting your attention!

Anonymous said...

8:52-Sounds like we located a disgruntled ex-cop that confessing all the things he just listed. Sound like a big ole confession to the way you rolled! Your not missed!

Anonymous said...

6:42 Is obviously a cop who thinks that the city would totally disintigrate whithout him.
Oh Yea..thats exactly what would happen, you think all these Mexicans in this town would just sit and behave? Dream on! They would tear this town apart and turn it into a shithole like there homeland with in a week. Listen to a scanner...listen to how many calls go out in one hour. Then ask yourself...can we get along with a few less cops????

Anonymous said...

8:51 said cops should take part in the sacrifice of a 10% salary reduction already agreed to by other Union employees at the City. With furlough days, that's what many have done already.

Nobody said that layoffs were mandatory, not even the Mayor's people. It was a 10% reduction or layoffs.

Sounds like some of the officers would rather leap and stretch instead of facing the truth that a salary reduction is necessary. Especially for the biggest department in town.

Anonymous said...

Take a salary cut and we can still every one of those big, brave, strong, courageous, uniformed, gun toting, rebellion squashing men and women protecting us in full force. Not a reduction of one officer and not a step backward. Bravo!

Anonymous said...

If the officers took a 10% pay cut, could they still afford their nice homes in Batavia, Yorkville, Sheridan, Elburn and Oregon?

Anonymous said...

I love it when the Police Union members post threats like "just wait until your needs can't be met because there aren't enough of us." Typical Union rhetoric. Everybody has been hit hard in recent years, it's your turn bend over and relax. The Fire Department is this town needs to be cut across the board by at least 30%. The number of cushy,plush upper-management jobs in AFD is an insult to the average hard working taxpayer in Aurora. The candy store needs to be shut down, fellas.

Anonymous said...

What some of you people are asking the Police Officers to take a pay cut are forgetting is that the police agreed too and did last year take a pay cut only to see the Mayor turn around and give his city insiders BIG raises! A lot of the Police budget is in overtime.(time and a half). The reason for overtime is understaffing. The cops said give us furlough days but the city balked because "they want them on that wall, they need them on that wall!" and they know it. So do you think that laying off officers will lead to more over time or less overtime. The city knows they are putting the public at risk, not the officers. And its not just about big crimes-wait till you have a traffic accident and cars are backed up to Oswego and you don't have anybody to handle it for 30 or 40 minutes. How many will be stuck in traffic? Hows that for the economy? Wait till your schools go on LOCKDOWN and ya can only scrape together 4 or 5 cops to cover a school like Waubonsee. It will be tough for the cops but they'll adapt and overcome. They don't really have to rush anywhere till THEY determine they're safe. And to 11:45 who's making fun of the cops-o.k. ha-ha I get it. You sound pretty squared away and you can handle yourself. But maybe there are a lot of needy people in this town that aren't so secure. There are plenty of elderly, single moms, latch-key kids and such that all need to call when things go bump in the night. And they ain't calling you! Last week I see a jail guard just about got murdered because he was by himself and escorting a real life badguy (who you seem to think doesn't exist) who almost got away. Yea, lets furlough and lay off some more officers, great thinkin! And don't forget that your throwing money out the window cause it costs a lot to get a new officer up and running! Yea lets keep city hall spokespeople and Mundy bushes and get rid of cops.
And the cops gave lots of ideas that were all rejected by the Mayor. With him it's either "my way or the highway!" Don't be fooled. yea, lets spend our moony on bailing out friends failed businesses, get drunk-riverfront park, and building a place for a dog to sh*t. And when we have events at "get-drunk riverfront park" and the boogie-man shows up-you do ya need there? Mr. anonymous 11:45? I don't think so.

Anonymous said...

What some of you people are asking the Police Officers to take a pay cut are forgetting is that the police agreed too and did last year take a pay cut only to see the Mayor turn around and give his city insiders BIG raises! A lot of the Police budget is in overtime.(time and a half). The reason for overtime is understaffing. The cops said give us furlough days but the city balked because "they want them on that wall, they need them on that wall!" and they know it. So do you think that laying off officers will lead to more over time or less overtime. The city knows they are putting the public at risk, not the officers. And its not just about big crimes-wait till you have a traffic accident and cars are backed up to Oswego and you don't have anybody to handle it for 30 or 40 minutes. How many will be stuck in traffic? Hows that for the economy? Wait till your schools go on LOCKDOWN and ya can only scrape together 4 or 5 cops to cover a school like Waubonsee. It will be tough for the cops but they'll adapt and overcome. They don't really have to rush anywhere till THEY determine they're safe. And to 11:45 who's making fun of the cops-o.k. ha-ha I get it. You sound pretty squared away and you can handle yourself. But maybe there are a lot of needy people in this town that aren't so secure. There are plenty of elderly, single moms, latch-key kids and such that all need to call when things go bump in the night. And they ain't calling you! Last week I see a jail guard just about got murdered because he was by himself and escorting a real life badguy (who you seem to think doesn't exist) who almost got away. Yea, lets furlough and lay off some more officers, great thinkin! And don't forget that your throwing money out the window cause it costs a lot to get a new officer up and running! Yea lets keep city hall spokespeople and Mundy bushes and get rid of cops.
And the cops gave lots of ideas that were all rejected by the Mayor. With him it's either "my way or the highway!" Don't be fooled. yea, lets spend our moony on bailing out friends failed businesses, get drunk-riverfront park, and building a place for a dog to sh*t. And when we have events at "get-drunk riverfront park" and the boogie-man shows up-you do ya need there? Mr. anonymous 11:45? I don't think so.

Anonymous said...

What some of you people are asking the Police Officers to take a pay cut are forgetting is that the police agreed too and did last year take a pay cut only to see the Mayor turn around and give his city insiders BIG raises! A lot of the Police budget is in overtime.(time and a half). The reason for overtime is understaffing. The cops said give us furlough days but the city balked because "they want them on that wall, they need them on that wall!" and they know it. So do you think that laying off officers will lead to more over time or less overtime. The city knows they are putting the public at risk, not the officers. And its not just about big crimes-wait till you have a traffic accident and cars are backed up to Oswego and you don't have anybody to handle it for 30 or 40 minutes. How many will be stuck in traffic? Hows that for the economy? Wait till your schools go on LOCKDOWN and ya can only scrape together 4 or 5 cops to cover a school like Waubonsee. It will be tough for the cops but they'll adapt and overcome. They don't really have to rush anywhere till THEY determine they're safe. And to 11:45 who's making fun of the cops-o.k. ha-ha I get it. You sound pretty squared away and you can handle yourself. But maybe there are a lot of needy people in this town that aren't so secure. There are plenty of elderly, single moms, latch-key kids and such that all need to call when things go bump in the night. And they ain't calling you! Last week I see a jail guard just about got murdered because he was by himself and escorting a real life badguy (who you seem to think doesn't exist) who almost got away. Yea, lets furlough and lay off some more officers, great thinking! Don't be fooled. yea, lets spend our money on bailing out friends failed businesses, "get drunk-riverfront park", and building a place for a dog to sh*t. And when we have events at "get-drunk riverfront park" and the boogie-man shows up-you do ya need there? Mr. anonymous 11:45? I don't think so.

Anonymous said...

Sorry about the triple post-that wasn't on purpose. Cut it by 33% if you can.

Anonymous said...

1:10pm...lmao

Anonymous said...

Beacon says that reducing reporting time and uniforms by 50% saved $875,000. Why not eliminate reporting time and uniforms 100%for one year saving $1,750,000. Your only $250,000 short. Freeze wages and layoff two police officers. There done.

Anonymous said...

I love it when the Police Union talks about how they sacrificed long and hard last year with their measly concessions and that is supposed to be a clear sign to "leave us alone this year."

Does anyone doubt that the City has financial problems? Does anyone think that Aurora is immune? Did any of your Union members get increases this year? None? No cost of living? No internal promotions? Nothing? ........ Thought so.

Get real. All City workers need to take part in the salary reductions and that includes you little boys and girls in blue. Not just them "other guys."

Don't expect every project that will benefit the public to be stopped in its tracks either just so you can keep taking home (to Kendall County) your nice packaged salary and benefits.

Many Aurorans will use Riverfront Park and think it's a great idea and vision. You have Palmer Dam in Yorkville and lots of forest preserves in Kendall County, where many of you police officers live, so why can't we have a first rate redevelopment along the River? Should it be stopped so you can keep raking in overtime for your four hour court appearances when you are home doing errands or eating cheeto's after your thirty minute court appearance?

How arrogant of you to state that it will be the exclusive home of drunks and undesirables. You show your ignorance of the true Aurora when you do so but we understand, you get a slanted view when you breath in that fertilized air on your way home to Kendall County each night. All that urea and manure can affect your thought processes.

People all over the U.S. have had to take cuts. Other Unions at the City sacrificed a lot more than you have already.

Part of your problem is that you have been treated for far too long like a little band of princes and princesses that can do no wrong. You have been given every resource and benefit at contract time to mistakenly try and make you happy. You also have a beautiful building for fighting crime with every conceivable advantage to create a work environment beyond compare.

Yet despite all of this, when asked to take a 10% reduction to help the City get over a financial hurdle, you toss us the bird.

Anonymous said...

I hear the Police Union for APD is upset over possible layoffs. Awwwww, that's too bad. I guess the way too expensive new Police Station wasn't enough for you guys. The taxpayers of Aurora have to pay for Taj Mahal I guess the overtime scandal of couple of years ago wasn't enough for you. $60,000 of overtime wasn't enough for the abusers. That's okay we the taxpayers will just have to shut up and pay for it. And now the Kendall County Boys Club is objecting to cost-cutting measures that are obviously necessary. That's okay guys, we'll just keep going along with whatever you want. We don't want ANY trouble with the Union and it's members. Is there anything we the taxpayers can do for you?

Anonymous said...

4:01pm,,, You deserved to be tossed the bird because you're talking out of your ass.
Shut the hell up.

Anonymous said...

To 4:41-Yes-not call us.

Anonymous said...

To 4:41 what overtime scandal? can you name some specific dates so I can read about it??? I googled it numerous ways and found nothing? Im curious if their is any truth to it?

Anonymous said...

To 4:01-When I was refering to "drunk by the river park" i'm refering tho the downtown alive festivals that require all of those Police so that "nothing goes wrong!" Not just the normal everyday downtown intoxicated band with exposure to toburculosis. And the Mayor agreed to it last year, the Mayor sets the budget, the Mayor overspends on non-critical projects-don't blame tho Police Officers for his failures. A failure to plan on his part doesn't constitute a emergency on their part.

Anonymous said...

Now..... I'm confused. Will the firemen give back 10% of their salary. This is a very confusing issue for me. Maybe an educated alderman could weigh in. Someone, explain, please!

Anonymous said...

About two years Openline reported that some APD officers were bringing in over 70,000 dollars in overtime. One of the officers was Shireen Long. Basically, the officers were allowed to work as much overtime as they possibly could. He might want to search Openline's search engine for past stories on APD/overtime. Since Openline is run by an Aurora Alderman I believe the information to be factual as he would have access to such information.

Anonymous said...

I would like to see the Aurora Fire Department open more AFD Museums across the City. Perhaps one for every neighborhood. The one Downtown is very popular. I often see a long line of people waiting to get in when I drive past it on Broadway. I would also like to see more Management at APD. The last thing we need to see is Aurora burn down like Chicago did back in the 1800's. I would also like to APD buy some more of those expensive well-equipped SUV's that the big-shots drive around town acting all important and stuff. I would also like to see more Chili cooking contests at the stations. Let's find out which Station does up the best Chili in town. The winners get to "hose down" the losers, public invited.

Anonymous said...

Last I checked Aurora police were among the most highly compensated in the country!

Anonymous said...

The reality is most of the work done by the police could be done by security firms. We should consider a major reduction in actual police, eliminate all supervisory positions and outsource them to security firms and use security firms to do the burglar reports and the low-risk work and save the highly trained, armed officers for the job they should do. Since they want big pay, given the level of skill and abilities they possess, they should earn it by assuming risk.

Anonymous said...

This is all you need to know:

http://www.policepay.net/RequestFiles.asp?RequestID=14

The police in Aurora are way, way overpaid.

Anonymous said...

I "love" you "redistribution of wealth" liberal socialists. For the last two years I don't remember any picket signs or protests at Downtown Alive asking "can we afford all this?" And its just a big party being thrown by somebody who really couldn't afford it! No protests about big money for all these construction projects that apparently the city cant-and shouldnt-be putting on their "charge" card. Yea, lets now find a target for "our" reckless spending. We didn't keep our eyes on the bottom line and balance sheet so lets get somebody else to pay for it. Socialist grasshoppers, whistling away at downtown alive, blues fest, literary fest, big new library, brand new Fox Valley park dist.trucks on very corner, huge Police palace(do you think the cops designed that-dig deeper-follow the MONEY)farmers markets(cost the city money) with no questions at all. Now it winter and the grasshopper don't got no savings-so lets get the ants to pay for it. Lets redistribute the wealth! Thats why you need a contract to protect the ants from the grasshopper! When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you never have to worry about the support of PAUL---BEN FRANKLIN

Anonymous said...

Did not stop the City from being a Golden Sponsor of the Urban League annual fundraiser. The Sponsorship cost about $5000.0 a table. but everyone in Aurora knows it Tom's favorite charity help in Oakbrook every year.

Anonymous said...

Don't forget Weisner throwing all that Money away on Franklin-Covey, city-wide internet that didn't work, and the others like the R.O.P.E. program-paying an officer 24 hours a day to live in a bad neighborhood. And I do remember one alderman asking "can we afford all this....hmmm.....who could it be????

Anonymous said...

Spending all that MONEY,big money in hours and salary, through his legal and public relations staff to push for citizens that were supposedly too afraid to make a complaint on a Police Officer through two minority organizations and yet not one complaint has been filed through either them!!! All "feel good" vote buys!

Anonymous said...

Greedy unions and their boys crying like babies. Who will it be nexgt the fire dept? The GREEDY TEACHER UNOIN? SEIU? All the little commies in a row! Call in JUGO CHABAZZ he knows how to handle it.

Anonymous said...

Don't drink and type 7:09. And you contradict yourself. Time to go to bed and sleep it off while the "Greedy" union dayshifters are just starting their day.

Anonymous said...

Mayor Stover gave the Police Union anything they wanted. Now the City is paying for the excesses of the Stover administration. Aurora cops are the highest paid in the area, have better insurance than other city employees and have more sick leave than other city employees. We can no longer afford the Stover giveaways to the Police Union.

Anonymous said...

Hey 7:44 Your an Idiot-they all have the same insurance! And the Police pay the most-Fire pay the second most! Don't make stuff up.

Anonymous said...

And Weisner approved and signed the last Police contract. He even bragged about how good of a deal it was in the Beacon News and Chicago papers. what are you 7:44 his campaign manager. Like Pres. Obama blaming Bush for his shortcomings. And if Weisner wants to speak the truth-Don't pay big money to somebody to say it for you like he does with Ergo. She's just a buffer that he can fire when she accidentally lets some truth out or says the wrong thing or gets caught in a lie -like breaking democrat party propaganda by actually saying the economy s getting worse!

Anonymous said...

Police dude, give it up. The money's gone, it was pissed away. There is nothing left. If you would bother to check your property tax bill and see the decrease, you will see it won't come back anytime soon. Either give up pay or give up positions, quit your pisssing and moaning. The world is changing, it's called evolution. Adapt or die.

Anonymous said...

Well I guess the forensic audit will and state arbitrator will find out if your great Mayor is telling the truth. And I don't hear any Police pissing and moaning. I hear the city moaning saying we want your money cause we blew all ours. Dude.

Anonymous said...

Hope you enjoy going back to third shift after the layoffs Rambo...Tueday-Wednesday sound good?

Anonymous said...

I have just read the contract link posted at 10/30/10 11:47 PM. I have worked many years in middle management and dealt with a number of union contracts in my career and that one shown is the most unbelievable document I have ever seen. Frankly, I am stunned that Aurora police officers have that generous of an agreement. Are firefighters in Aurora the same? I can't see how the city can pay those kind of benefits to people with national and state unemployment at the current rates.

Anonymous said...

I have just read the contract link posted at 10/30/10 11:47 PM.

Thanks, I am glad someone read it. It shocked me also.

Anonymous said...

Hey APPO:

Face it, the public is not with you and your quest to keep your ridiculous pay and benefits in these lean times.

Why can't you live with a 10% salary reduction? The rest of the county has. Your own fellow City workers had to do it last year. Are you different and special? Or just a bunch of whining babies used to having everything handed to them?

Take your 10% cut. Deal with it.

Anonymous said...

I almost piss myself when I read about who signed what contract back in the good 'ol days. Like the world never changes and police and unions never need to adjust.

I am also humored by the claims from obvious postings by policemen that the City should forget about things like the Wood St. bridge so the officers can keep their bellies full while public projects get waylaid.

Dudes, we waited 8 years for that bridge to get fixed so the necessary funding could get scraped together. We took our hits . Time for you guys to get at the front of the line and take your cuts.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the concept that the "Stover candy store give-aways" will have to end. What Dave Stover did to the taxpayers of Aurora was ethically wrong, to reward your co-workers like that. It's cronyism at it's absolutely worse. Everyone else in this economy has been negatively affected. Just because your in the law enforcement doesn't mean your exempt. Let's face it guys, you're NOT that special. First it was the Stover candy store, then it was unlimited overtime, then it was a way over-priced Station. All you guys do is take and take. When does the bitching and moaning stop? You guys are being paid by us. In the end, we the taxpayers get to decide where to draw the line. The line has been drawn, it's either 10% across the board or your beloved Union(shakedown squad) will start losing positions big-time. The days of Dave Stover and Camelot are over. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Anonymous said...

Anyone else wondering how many of these policemen are blogging on the City's dime? Does your contract give you a Blackberry for your various forms of personal expression? That would seem to be right as the City already gives you money to join a health club as well as your own health club at the station. Does someone cut your meat up for you at lunchtime too?

Anonymous said...

I would like to see Aurora Police Officers given a chauffered rides into work everyday from their real nice homes in Kendall County.

Anonymous said...

If you crybabies don't like the way things are done here then move you dummies. Something tells me Aurora isn't so bad afterall or else you would leave.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the link to the website with the Aurora Police contract:
http://www.policepay.net/RequestFiles.asp?RequestID=14

WOW - check out the pay & benefits.

With 10 years of service a cop makes $85,000. Add reporting time, court time, uniform allowances and health club dues that can easily reach $100,000 per year.

After the wages check out the health insurance. In addition there is a 5 month severence pay package and 6 months of sick leave every year.

In addition cops can draw a police pension at 75% of their final pay ($64,000 annual pension for life) with city subsidized health insurance.

Sweet deal.

Anonymous said...

$85,000 after 10 years. 5 month salaried severence pay. $64,000 a year for life retirement plan. WTF is that !!!!!! And these guys are complaining !!!!!! Add to that the New Palace, almost unlimited overtime, at one time, an OPS outfit that always has their backs. They sure as hell don't add much to the tax base here. And there so damn special they refuse to make concessions when everyone is doing it. What a bunch of arrogant, spolied rotten, and entitled people. The taxpayers of Aurora have been getting screwed by the APPO and Mr. Stover. If they won't make serious concessions tell a whole bunch of them to go look for work where they live out Kendall County way. Good Luck, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out,

Anonymous said...

Why is everyone putting this on Stover? The Palace was designed and built under Weisner's watch and the current, albeit expired, contract was agreed with Weisner and ratified by the city council in 2007. Look at the dates. This is a result of the current administration at city hall.

Anonymous said...

The guys who will be getting laid off could give a rats ass about the building. They work out of a car for 8 hours. The building is just a place to chance clothes. The average patrolman had no input. It was a pony show for Weisner and how GREEN he is.

Anonymous said...

Police Union:

The only one to blame is you. Lots of workers all over the U.S. have taken salary and hourly reductions over the past year and a half. That includes City workers right in Aurora. You get no sympathy from those of us who have already seem our bottom line decrease.

Concerning the posts about Stover, he contributed to the problem by spoiling the police force and giving them everything they wanted, but so did other Mayors.

Anonymous said...

What other Mayors?----- Idiot.

Anonymous said...

The guys who will be getting laid off could give a rats ass about the building.

Bull! When they were planning it, every cop I knew who spent his time in a car was whining about the need for the palace. And I know a large handful of cops. Friends or not they live in a different world and frankly speaking, they are divorced from many of the realities that people face day to day. It is interesting that people demand diversity in officers so they can understand the community and yet are isolated from reality by their union, gigantic compensation packages and work rules that sound like they were designed on fantasy island.

Anonymous said...

related issue is crime, which generally rises during hard times.

In Aurora, crime has hit a 30-year low. Weisner credits the Police Department, and also said the city has speeded up the hiring process so that openings don't languish. This provides an additional 15 to 18 officers on the street, he said.

"Given the economic situation, we have to be ever more vigilant in making sure that crimes against property, theft, burglary and things like that -- that we keep a handle on that," Weisner said. "And in difficult times, domestic violence and some of those really ugly crimes can increase." ----Chicago Tribune April 10, 2009

Anonymous said...

11:52

Nobody would (or should) argue that a new police station was needed. However, most police officers would agree that the new station was way over the top. The inflated cost were the result of Weisner wanting the building to be LEED Gold certified as a "green" building. Take out all of the green stuff and the building would me more reasonably priced.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure the AURORA AFSCME members are quite happy that MR Mcentee gave away 87 million of their hard earned dollars to the SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC party for the election. Nice stewardship of your union dues. What a waste to promote the likes of JUGO CHABAZZ and Curious GEORGE OBAMA so they can take everyones 401s and redistribute the money in the to the more "deserving" of the world. Cripes what a mess. VOTE THEM ALL OUT TOMORROW

Anonymous said...

Ok, so now I want you people to explain why you won't move out of Aurora if it's so bad?

Anonymous said...

9:44 - planning on it. Just bid on a house in TN.

Anonymous said...

Wow-92 comments. Impressive. He Openline, I wish you'ed stick to local Aurora area stories like this one and leave the National and even state stuff alone. As you cans by the lack of posts their isn't much intreats. Also, if you haven't had a chance compare how the Beacon-fused reporting of this topic compares with the Daily Herald. Go Herald! You think the home town newspaper would do a better job. They just give 3 or 4 stories a day. Crosby's feel-goods take up the whole inside second page.. Come on Beacon. Do some diggin! Hit Ergo and Weisner with some hardballs!

Anonymous said...

What I see in most of these posts is disgust with the Aurora Police. When workers all over the State have taken drops in pay, these babies have had it so good for so long, they don't see reality. They are living in a fantasy land.

Anonymous said...

Did you know that police management also has a union? I heard they made no concessions last year. Must have a nice contract, nutty work rules, a well paid lawyer and unrealistic expectations too.

Anonymous said...

11/1 9:44 I did. And Im at least 8 grand richer a year for it. Property taxes you know.

Anonymous said...

To 6:47-You see only what you want- Disgust with the Aurora Police? Or frustration because they have a legal contract that has to be adhered to and your Mayor spends your tax money on pet projects. I remind you that the Officers gave concessions-and less then a month later the Mayor gave his city hall insiders LARGE raises. And they've kept them. How do you feel about that? Honestly-I want to know?Your Mayor just filed for contract arbitration and as you read in his quote from 11:58 he feels the Police are doing and excellent job and are now needed more than ever. He's just laying the kindling down before he lights the fire of property tax increases for his BIG pet projects he's got coming. And if he doesn't seek reelection they will be doozies!

Anonymous said...

What I see most are "anonymous" posts that are disgusted. Easy to be bold and disgusted when your anonymous.

Anonymous said...

8:55-
I hardly call giving up a half hour of gifted overtime and half of your clothing allowance concessions. Better get a reality check outside of your brand of municipal employment.

Anonymous said...

Frustration with your ridiculous yet legal contract but even more disgust that you will not do the rite thing and take an hourly reduction like most of us out here have already done.

Anonymous said...

However, most police officers would agree that the new station was way over the top.

Oh sure now that it was built. But where were they when the cost overruns began, where were they with their big mouthed union thugs when it was being designed - answer, they were no where because they wanted it. Unions use their power only when it is to their long term betterment. So since you sat silent and allowed the cots overruns to occur you need to SUFFER the consequences. And that suffering should be long and deep. Sorry but the Aurora police are WAY overpaid.

Anonymous said...

What I see most are "anonymous" posts that are disgusted. Easy to be bold and disgusted when your anonymous.

That is because the police in Aurora are thugs and retaliate against those who speak out again them.

Anonymous said...

PHONE REPAIR

A Kansas farm wife called the local phone company to report her telephone failed to ring when her friends called - and that on the few occasions, when it did ring, her little dog always moaned right before the phone rang.

The telephone repairman proceeded to the scene, curious to see this psychic dog or senile lady. He climbed a telephone pole, hooked in his test set, and dialed the subscriber's house.

The phone didn't ring right away, but then the little dog moaned and the telephone began to ring.

Climbing down from the pole, the telephone repairman found:

1 . The little dog was tied to the telephone system's ground wire with a steel chain and collar.

2. The wire connection to the ground rod was loose.

3. The little dog was receiving 90 volts of signaling current when the number was called.

4. After a couple of jolts, the little dog would start moaning and then urinate.

5. The wet ground would complete the circuit, thus causing the phone to ring.

Which demonstrates that some problems CAN be fixed by pissing and moaning.


Thought you'd like to know.

Anonymous said...

To 11/21 at 6:47 & 12:51.- I hear you-your digusted. But I would still like to hear how you feel about weisner giving his city hall insiders LARGE raises right after the police officers gave concesions? Honestly, do you support that? That's leadership? Answer please?

Anonymous said...

Well, so far we have found out that 5 or 10 of the Mayor's buddies got raises, and 220 policemen don't give a rat's a@@ about the city that pays them $100,000 a year.

Anonymous said...

Didn't the Police Dept promote about 10 police officers this year? Did the Sergeants, Lieutenants, and Commanders that were promoted get a pay raise or just the title?

Anonymous said...

Well, time will tell who is more right here. Points made on both sides. I don't think the Mayor will lay off, or if he does it will be temporary and minimal. My prayers are with the Aurora Police Officers who do a job not many want to do. But I hope you earn that money. The citizens deserve that.

Anonymous said...

I hope you Auroran cocksuckers keep paying our pensions and overtime til you're bankrupt.

Ralph said...

Open line remove post 8'31,It is not fit to print.

Open line use your head and this page can be very use full in this time of problems.

Sgt Ralph (retired)

Anonymous said...

One thing is clear from most of these posts. The police union contract borders on downright embarrassment with its wages, benefits and entitlements. Most of this stuff should not have been in a responsible contract to begin with and only a policeman would disagree. C'mon men and women in blue, it's time for an adult response in these tuff times. Take a pay reduction.

Anonymous said...

I believe the Fire Department had a number of promotions this year too. Does anyone know if they got a pay raise?

Anonymous said...

The underpaid firemen in Aurora definately need and deserve a pay raise. C'mon Weisner, ante up.

Anonymous said...

The dog catcher needs a raise.

Anonymous said...

Carrie Ann Ergo needs a raise

Anonymous said...

The Historical Preservation Department needs a raise

Anonymous said...

The drunks at Indian Trail and Lake need a raise

Anonymous said...

Weisner needs a new haicut and tweed jacket

Anonymous said...

Weisner needs a new haicut and tweed jacket

Kifowit needs a boob job so she can keep proportional with her growing ass.

Anonymous said...

Kifowit's boobs are perfect as is!!!!!