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Tuesday, November 09, 2010

Aurora Police Union Hires Firm to Provide Independent Analysis of City Spending

Budgets and Spending Cuts


Aurora's Association of Professional Police Officers Union (APPO) has hired a firm to perform an independent analysis of the City of Aurora's budget, spending and projections due to the city's request to ask for 10% salary reductions to trim a deficit exceeding $18 million projected for 2011.

APPO says that before it can consider any salary reduction, it wants to determine how the city has changed its spending since last year and what other areas can be first eliminated.

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Anonymous said...

They have some nerve.

Anonymous said...

They have some nerve? You mean that the Police Officers should just say "OK, take our money, we trust you have done everything possible to be frugal (Wood St. Bridge, Dog Park, Parking lot). Sorry for bothering you, take what you need."

Anonymous said...

The Mayor has his nerves, after wasting money giving contracts to his buddies. A few years ago when he was hiding in his office from Aurora citizen protesting the Clinic; he had a policeman at his office to keep those citizens away. The salary was all right then. Police officers don't make the money the Mayor is claiming. Why don't the news get the exact number and print them. Please print the amount of money he is paying his staff. The number of police the Mayor is using are not all a part of APPO. Approximately 50 are more are Management. Officers earn a lot in overtime because there are not enough police officers. Why don't Mayor call his spoke person the next time he needs protection? She makes more than the average police officer.

Anonymous said...

Hey Police Unions:

Your 'me first' attitude has sure gotten old. With the hourly money you make plus overtime, you should be taking a 10% reduction. You make more than most people in Aurora and just don't know how good you have it.

Anonymous said...

Police gave concessions for 2010. The Mayor gave his staff raises after gettting concessions from Police. I guess the Mayor and the paper forgot that. The fireman are not giving up anything. I understand they are not going to hire overtime when they are short. Is this because they supported the Mayor and Police didn't?

Anonymous said...

I applaud the police for requesting a review of the Mayor's spending. It's about time someone questioned the Mayor's expenditures on ridiculous items. The Mayor has four spokespersons and 5-6 assistants. That is ludicrous. He says he is closing special events, but no mention of any layoffs there, just no events.
Mundy's contracts need to be suspended immediately. If there is no money for police officers, there is no money for flowers.

Anonymous said...

This is gonna get good!!

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah da pur little pig-lice-officers, so abused. Listen you smucks, as a whole you are uneducated. Your own unions sate that you do not have skills that require special training or ability which is why you are not classified as professionals and therefore are able to receive overtime. You might recall the one of the few good things Bush tried to do was classify police and firefighters as professionals in order to reduce costs.

You guys want it both ways, oh we do not have special training so we cannot be professionals but we want to be paid like them. I'll tell you what, go out in the private sector and see what your skills will get you. Uh I am police officer I can sit in car all day and eat donuts...give me 100k a year and a lifetime pension and medical for my highly refined skills.

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Anonymous said...

5:42

Dood, you are so right. I was a cop for about 3 years. Then it hit me. I was way too smart to hang out with this gang. Within a couple of years I landed a job as an Air Traffic Controller. I got it licked now. I make about 140 large now. I work inside, and conduct training for half of us which is extra coin. The pension is outstanding as well. Hey.... and nobody shoots at me either. I love it!! Thanks federal tax payers!! No Really!!

Anonymous said...

I was a deputy for a bit before I saw the writing on the wall. I got my degree and got out. I've been teaching P.E. in a suburban high school for over 30 years. I received my Master's degree and Doctorate on the tax payers dime. During most of my career I have had a wonderful experience. For the most part I have worked from 8:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Mon-Fri. I have every weekend off, 3 weeks off at Christmas, one week at Easter, and every federal holiday. Oh, did I mention that I have had every single summer off as well. It's been a great ride, and now I'm getting ready to pull the plug. So, I've been working a lot of over-load hours in order to boost my pension. My pension will be around $77,000.00 with cost of living increases built in. Even though it's not a lot, my wife is a teacher as well and will be retiring in about 5 years. We should be sitting in a good position. I'm glad I got out of that dead end police job!

Anonymous said...

I'm staying away from Aurora. I saw that a duy was shot at the Motel Six right across from that outlet mall the other day. A shooting also happened on the West side. And now a shortage of cops. No thankyou. Back to Oswego I go, where it's safe.

Anonymous said...

I work for BNSF (rail road). I do ok. I'm a brake man and make about 100/year. I keep telling these youngsters to keep out of trouble and work hard. It can pay off. Someone will reward you for your hard work.

Anonymous said...

blah blah blah. Oh yeah, well I discovered gold in my back yard and now I'm rich!! So screw all of you city bastards.

Anonymous said...

The Beacon won't report it but a month ago a student was shoot on the grounds of West Aurora. East Aurora had a big mob action fight. Why no police officers in the schools because Tom needs a 7 million dollar parking lot he is putting your children at risk.

Anonymous said...

Hey policepeople: Get a clue will you? The public has no sympathy for any of you. Many of us out here have already taken pay cuts, furloguh days, and increases in health care costs. But none of you can.

Anonymous said...

2:05-

The police gave up nothing in 2010. Fifteen minutes of milky overtime everyday for reporting early for roll call is not a concession. Half of your uniform allowance. I'm sure that just killed you. You still make too much money so ratchett it down will ya.

Anonymous said...

Nothing screams frugality like the palace on Indian Trail.

Anonymous said...

I know the true citizens of this town respect and approve of our Police officers. The other post's on this blog are probably by the same person and if not the same person clearly someone who is ignorant to government work and police work in general. If only my fellow bloggers would take a look at the city's accounts payable section on their web page. It took me just moments to come up with $3,035,231.00 (rounding down) in checks written for the purchase of homes throughout the city. THIS MONEY SPENT DURING BUDGET 2010. YES EVEN AFTER THE MAYOR SAID WE WERE BROKE AND NEEDED CONCESSIONS AND LAYOFFS FROM OUR UNIONS. If you don't have the money to spend on police you should not be purchasing houses all over town. I can come up with millions more just give me a few moments. It is clear that the Mayor does not want to come clean on his irresponsible spending in 2010 so he just keeps changing the story or making excuses for spending. Its really just simple math when your broke.

Anonymous said...

Gosh you know I think I will call Governor Quinn and see what he thinks of his buddy laying off police officers. I saw that commercial he did just before the election talking about not getting rid of police officers. I wonder if he really wants to have someone like Tommy boy anywhere near his administration. I would think the Governor would try and remove himself from such a reckless spending, police hating, failure.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the Mayor can help out by paying the parking tickets he has been getting.

Anonymous said...

police should make no more than 30 grand a year imho.

Anonymous said...

you think there their will be any quality officers out there to save your ass and run after the gang bangers, drug dealers and robbers in Aurora for $14.50 an hour...lol Good luck with that.

Anonymous said...

People need to get your numbers straight. Only a handful of APD made over 100K, and that was because those who did worked a boat load of overtime. And why was there so much overtime ? Because APD is already waaaay understaffed.

Tom, I don't think you manage a lemonade stand. How the people of this town voted you in twice is beyond me.

Anonymous said...

If you don't have the money to spend on police

Please - the police are way overpaid - period.

Here is fair pay, a 401k with a 3% match, pay 25% of the cost of medical while working and 100% in retirement, raises on merit and target average salary on 45k with a range of 25-70k, end of story.

Anonymous said...

Whether the police are over paid or not Weisner needs to go. You think next year is not going to be worst. He has spent money like a druken sailor that he is. What to get rid of him sooner Aurora Police and do the whole City a favor park outside Bally Doyle and wait until his druken ass comes out or Carrie Ann Ego pull them over you will be doing us all a favor. Better yet his druken wife.

Anonymous said...

THIS MONEY SPENT DURING BUDGET 2010. YES EVEN AFTER THE MAYOR SAID WE WERE BROKE AND NEEDED CONCESSIONS AND LAYOFFS FROM OUR UNIONS.
We will not take any consessions from the Mayor..he can kiss my ass! That SOB! spent 6 million dollars on that 20 year old YWCA building down on River st and its going to take almost another 2 Mil to tear it down and pave another parking lot. Some of you taxpayers missed this one didnt ya? How much more area needs to be paved up there on N.River st? isnt there enough parking already? GESHHH!

Anonymous said...

So the City is supposed to stop all downtown development so you all can continue to make over $80,000 a year? Does everything center around you, your unions and retaining your cushy salary and benefit packages?

Anonymous said...

Dear 10:42:

If you are going to criticize this expenditure, please have your facts straight. From what I read in Sunday's Beacon article, these homes were purchased with federal money that was awarded not only to Aurora, but to Elgin, Joliet and many other cities across the U.S. The homes bought were foreclosures and the plan is to put them back to productive use. The true residents of this City support this kind of action and so would you if you were living next door to a vacant house that had been abandoned for a couple of years. Maybe you don't have this problem in Kendall, LaSalle and Grundy Counties.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone else think it's crazy that sargents, leitenants, and commanders at the Police Department are represented by a Union? In the private sector and other types of governmental service, managers are paid a higher salary and are expected to give up unions along with grievances, comp time, overtime, union business on City time, etc. Seems like the Police are operating back in days of old. If you are so good and valuable to the City, you should change your ways like every other organization out here.

Anonymous said...

GREEDY UNION GUYS sticking it to the taxpayer....fire them all and rehire non union period. The GREEDY UNIONS have screwed this country relentlessly during the two years of OBAMANATION and now its time to end their power period. The taxpayer is getting way overburdened and can no longer afford it. When the history is written it will be the GREEDY UNIONS that turned us into a socialist state.

Anonymous said...

Guess what Police guys, where do you think your pension comes from? If the City goes belly up, so do your pensions! You may think you have a nice pension, but if the city can't pay the fund, you are sol. Hope you get everything you ask for and more.....then the city can declare bankruptcy and walk away from its pension obligations, and you can start eating dog food like you deserve.

Anonymous said...

I'd like to know how many sergeants, lieutenants, and commanders are working the day shift Monday through Friday compared to those who are working second and third shifts and on weekends when the real action takes place out in our community. I'll bet there is quite a difference and our City would be protected a whole lot better if there were some changes made. I'll also bet that these changes can't be made because these higher ups have their nice day shift assignments guaranteed in their union contract. So who does the contract serve, the residents on the outside or the police on the inside.

Anonymous said...

Seriously though, at least walk the walk Mayor. If I see one more recruit hired or one more officer promoted, i'm going APE SHIT! I mean c'mon. you are talking about how poor we are and you keep hiring and promoting people? STOP ALREADY!
There are plenty of officers and Captains etc at the police department, and for that matter in other city departments. A group of us tax payers are watching closely. Put your money where your mouth is.

Anonymous said...

I love when this controversy happens. Someone or someones always get exposed. Time to pop some popcorn and sit back and enjoy the show folks.

Anonymous said...

I did not realize we have so many professional victims out there. For those of you against the police would you stop calling them when you become a victim. I heared on my scanner last night some shootings at a motel with armed subjects running away, chasing bank robbers. Really!!! Don't pay are cops. We don't need them. You professional victims will catch these guys and hold them down, after you have been shot. Then call 911 and see if they have a police officer to send you.

Anonymous said...

I would suggest next time you get stopped run your mouth and remind the officer who pays his salery then point to the nearest donut shop. Maybe scream a little too. I'm sure he will let you go!

Anonymous said...

Now the City just gave back $800,000 in sales tax for Best Buy to remain in town. That opens up every large company to going and playing hardball with the City. No wonder this City needs money they keep giving it away. Watch all the other retailers ask for sales tax back.

Anonymous said...

isnt there enough parking already? GESHHH!

No there is not. I agree it is the Mayor and City Council's fault. They never should have put WCC college there without parking, the restaurant row without parking is stupid also, but the taxpayer should not be footing the bill, financing maybe but not outright paying. The city need stop committing to providing parking without cost recovery.

Anonymous said...

The true residents of this City support this kind of action and so would you if you were living next door to a vacant house that had been abandoned for a couple of years.

I am a true resident and no I do not support this. When the price gets low enough they woudl be purchased. And if you and your neighbors managed your finances better you woudl be the ones purchasing them at rock bottom prices, rehabbing and renting them or selling at a profit as rent to own with owner financing.

That is the responsible way to handle this, not having your hand out to the city, the State, and the Fed for what is a self inflicted problem.

Anonymous said...

The number of police officers should not be cut, if they are undermanned officers should be added, the way you balance this is to cut each officers pay and benefit package so you can hire more officers and not lay any off.

Police are way over compensated, simple as that. Set up training like corporations that if they leave before x amount of years they have to pay back their training costs in order to keep from training other police departments forces.

This is not insurmountable, the issue is very simply, the police are WAY overcompensated.

If not, why don't some of you quit and go out into the real world and find out how the free market truly values your skills.

Anonymous said...

11/10/10 12:33 P.M.

"Police are way over compensated, simple as that"


What do you base this assertion on?
Please provide comparable occupations with salary estimates.

Awaiting your response, I am.

Anonymous said...

All I know is I'm not over compensated. I can't afford any more taxes of any kind so someone needs to start making some cuts. Raising taxes, making people buy vehicle stickers to park in their own driveways and using police to raise revenue just isn't going to cut it any more. Time to make some cuts and changes.

Anonymous said...

5:19

Across the board? All city employees, including the mayor?
Could you expound please?

Anonymous said...

Hey, the police union in Naperville told their city to pound salt, arbitrater agreed, and Naperville told 6 officers to take a hike. Naperville also said more layoffs are on the way if there aren't concessions. Can you read the writing on the wall APPO? So much for union brotherhood, I bet you all sell your younger "brothers" down the river to protect the pensions of the more senior members....the "blue brotherhood" is just a load of crap, you guys just look out for yourselves. You younger officers, see how much your older brothers look out for you when the cuts come.

Anonymous said...

Lets get rid of the youngest and the best.

Naperville mayor, keep your three hundred thousand pension plus and threat to send more to the layoff line/lets not do the right thing and cut everyone.

Anonymous said...

Please provide comparable occupations with salary estimates.

No that is the trap your ilk sets. It is not comparative occupations, unless you want me to compare you to the guy driving the car around the Walmart parking lot, it is comparing the salary and benefits of unskilled labor. the job does not require a college degree, therefore a degree is not a factor. Your comparison is the unskilled labor market.

But since you wanted it, the number you are looking for is 30,400 a year for a high school graduate vs 52,200 for a college graduate. A Masters gets you about 62k a year and a doctorate 89k a year. Professional designations, which police are not, 109k.

http://www.earnmydegree.com/online-education/learning-center/education-value.html

Armed security guards with 20 or more years of experience earn about 30 to 55k a year. The median around 40k.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Security_Officer_Armed/Salary

Behold your peer groups. That is reality.

Anonymous said...

How is Pradel of Naperville any different than Stover?

Anonymous said...

Let's go hire those 6 ex-Naperville cops. I bet they're better trained and smarter than any Aurora cop, and they not doubt will work for less than Aurora cops. Probably better looking, too.

Anonymous said...

get a figure sit down with every one, take one percent, cut every one's pay keep doing it till we have a balanced budget.

first cut all unneeded personnel.

Anonymous said...

It was a different time for Stover,

I agree with the last person, lets be fare and cut everyone the same

Anonymous said...

I have not heard of Stover, Yelling and screaming about the little guys pension.

Pradel of Naperville, (He who lives in a glass house should keep Quite)

Anonymous said...

8:46

Ah yes. You are a simpleton. Well, as such, the argument is over. It is very clear that you have a strong dislike for Aurora Police officers. Perhaps you are a convicted felon? Well, in any case, when you started comparing Aurora Officers with security guards, any intellectual honesty that you brought to the table was lost. But in short, you will find that other comparable officers in the area (i.e. Joliet, Elgin, St Charles, Naperville etc) make the same, or in some cases more money.

Now shoe shoe, back to Hessed House you go.

Anonymous said...

10:48, if you learn to read for content and context you will note in my first sentence I stated I will not fall for your ridiculous comparable occupation nonsense. this is the same BS teachers and the Park District have used for years to ratchet up their salaries. You refuse to equate those who are equally qualified for the job with those who already hold the job. No duh that one cities overpaid polices officers would be comparably paid to another cities overpaid police officers. But the real issue is the skills needed to do the job. Guess what, no special skills are needed to become s police officer, it takes no innate skill or talent and requires the most pedestrian skills.

And that is why police officers should be equated with their peer group, high school graduates and security guards. Skill wise they are interchangeable. You can take a cop and give him a master's degree but that does not mean the masters degree is needed to perform the work, nor should he be compensated for earning gone. Simple as that. Police officers want to be paid a premium for skills that are not scarce.

And you are disingenuous as I knew you would be.

Anonymous said...

No special skills?

C'mon buddy. Like the other guy said nobody is falling for your crap. If there are no special skills required, how com all 50 states require that a list of special skills that must be met along with a certification. I know, don't cloud your argument with facts. geesh, now go home ass.

Anonymous said...

Duh, look at me mom I gots special skills. duh I know how to shoot a gun. I be special duhhhhhhhhh.

You all should be replaced low life!

quaddc said...

To 8:46 You say being a Police Officer requires no special skills. You are wrong. It take courage. And that can't be taught.

Anonymous said...

Let's face the facts. The police union won't give anything up and the city will lay off the poor saps in the bottom 10% who have the least to do with the problem. The remaining 90% of the cops will continue to grow rich with their fat pensions, the city will not implode, and life will go on. The only people affected are the guys who get bounced........and they can walk away from their house mortgages, visit the food bank and join the 10% of all Americans who are out of work. It's called reality people, this is how the world is right now. Unions all over the country are feeding their young to the fire to protect "their rights". Every business I've ever been involved with, unions act the same way. The only way to change this is to ship every possible job to a foreign country because American labor is too expensive. "We have the right to big screen TVs and premium cable, we have the right to a bass boat and a cabin in Wisconsin......"

Anonymous said...

My brother in law is an out of work drywaller. He's ex Marine, did 2 tours in Irag. Fallujah is a lot worse than Aurora, he's never made any $80000/yr. He's got courage too.

Anonymous said...

IF the salaries of the surrounding towns are all comprable it would look to me like the GREEDY POLICE UNIONS HAVBE far too much influence. Hows that HOPEY CHANGEY thing wourking out for all you dumb voters now?

Anonymous said...

So in this lousy economy, all of the Aurora Policemen, including the nicely paid sergeants, lieutenants and commanders, don't think it's necessary to take a reduction in salary, huh? They are refusing to even consider it? Get a clue, APD. Workers all over this City have been making sacrifices and your huge 'give back' of fifteen minutes of guaranteed overtime EVERY DAY and half of your clothing allowance last year hardly qualifies as serious business.

The world is changing and so have many others except for you. You continue to live in your warm little cocoon of union protectionism that resists all influences and realities of the modern world.

Anonymous said...

I'd like to see a list of just how much money policemen are making. From the commanders right on down to the patrolmen. I know that would be an eye-opener for factory workers, tradesmen of all types, office workers, landscapers, laborers, equipment operators and others of us out here in the real world who make up this community and have had our work hours and pay cut already. The list should specify regular pay and overtime pay.

Anonymous said...

I salute your brother. Anybody that did two tours deserves respect. He not only earned every penny-he deserved more. And he voluntered-even more admirable. Im sure that if we attempted to decrease servicmen's pay in order to fight the deficit people would fight against it-I know I would. What you should know is that the Police know how dirty and underhanded the person asking them to just give back money is. The cops see all his waste and insider deals. He's not saying give it back for a year-he's saying just give it all back for good. The city just offered the cops a raise. They rejected it. Its gone to arbitration-but why would they offer the cops a raise behind closed doors in negotiations and then in the press ask for it all back and more? Thats talking out of both sides of your mouth. The reason the cops have a good contract is because it was decided by neutral judges that caught the city in its inaccuracies and schemes. They reap what they sew.

Anonymous said...

The cops are already giving back 10% this year, 2010, until the end of the year. Thats not even done and the city wants more? Give 'em and inch-they want a mile. Don't give em SH*T. I don''t remember the city saying thanks for giving back all this year. And then when the cops agree to give the Mayor turns around and gives his city hall insiders HUGE raises! Ha! Bite me once shame on you, bite me twice shame on me. They got a contract! Pay it. And all you winers go cry on you big pity pillow. Blame the Mayor-he signed the contract.

Anonymous said...

Get real, blue boy. The police make too much money and while other unions have been willing to make sacrifices in these lean times, the police force has selfishly refused to even consider meaningful concessions. So much for union brotherhood unless you want to stand as part of the blue wall.

Anonymous said...

My, all this new civic interest on the part of policemen. It's quite impressive. You'd think they were actually part of the community with the way they are now attending City Council meetings. All sitting together in on big group like a community association.

Anonymous said...

Seems to me not one of you cowards showed up to take the podium to say what you say here. And save me your cowards shield the you'll be retaliated against.

Anonymous said...

Help wanted - policemen. First qualification is the ability to ignore economic reality in the year 2010.

Anonymous said...

A contract is reality. You don't like the deal don't make the deal. Put up or shut up.

Anonymous said...

C'mon buddy. Like the other guy said nobody is falling for your crap. If there are no special skills required, how com all 50 states require that a list of special skills that must be met along with a certification. I know, don't cloud your argument with facts. geesh, now go home ass.

It was your own unions that represent you that successfully argued with the Bush administration that police officers could not be classified as professionals because they did not require extensive education or skills to perform their job and most of the training was acquired on the job and provided by the employer.

That is how you kept your overtime provisions. Specifically your union thug buddies objected to terming police officers and military personnel as "learned experts".

Anonymous said...

While other unions at the City took furlough days in 2010, the police union took none.

While one union at the City had workers laid off, the police union had none.

While many jobs have not been replaced at the City, the police management union refused to make and made absolutely no concessions in 2010. These are your sergeants, lieutenants and commanders.

While other unions at the City had their pay reduced through furlough days, the policemen's union and the police management union did not have any pay decreases.

While other unions sacrificed, the police union gave up fifteen minutes of guaranteed overtime every day and half of the their clothing allowance. The police management union made no concessions.

The City has eliminated and consolidated departments, reduced employees, cut civic events down to nothing, severely reduced ward funds, not replaced people, eliminated preservation funding, and reduced other discretionary spending.

The Fire Department took furlough time in 2010. The Electrical Department has half of the people it once had and takes furlough days.

And some posters say the police have made sacrifices.

Anonymous said...

Dear 7:57-

A multi year contract used to be reality before the economy went to crap and reality demanded annual re-evaluations and reality checks. Look out the window, will ya?

Anonymous said...

And the police want to check out the City and see how its spending has changed?

Anonymous said...

Nothing in that contract that says no layoffs. Start chopping. And start at the top with the brass and work your way down.

Anonymous said...

Yep. Start chopping. Did I tell you how good this is gonna get? Woooo Hoooo. Free for all in Aurora.

Anonymous said...

Hey there 7:44-

Like they even live in Aurora. How many of them live in our City anyway? Maybe one of them can address the City Council with the figure next Tuesday.

All of this sudden interest in the workings of the aldermen and city government makes one wonder.

Next thing you know the police will be trying to intimidate aldermen into backing their selfish agenda and threatening to campaign against them in the upcoming elections if they don't.

That would be something. The APD working to unseat aldermen from their base of operations in Kendall County.

Anonymous said...

11:33

Sit back and watch who wins. Time for a lesson in politics and contract law son.

Anonymous said...

And your projected winner/whiner?

Anonymous said...

Hey 11:36, apparently Naperville police knew contract law so well that 6 of them were let go.

Anonymous said...

I think that the APD would be willing to take a cut if you didn't have Weisner asking the unions to sacrifice while he continues to reward his cronies. Alayne, Alex, Rosario, Bill, Dan, Carie Ann and Bea all got huge raises this year supposedly for taking on more work. All the union employees took on more work to with the layoffs, but they didn't get a raise to compensate.
Wally Mundy continues to get huge no-bid contracts for planting flowers. Cut the crap, Weisner!

Anonymous said...

Read the Daily Herald today. The Union President for the Police went and spoke to the City Council while on duty. Does that mean he was being paid by the taxpayers while he was up there speaking? Talk about the need to cut the crap.! There must really be a concern with protecting residents out on the street and there must really be huge staff shortages at the Police Department for an officer to be attending a City Council meeting when he should be working. Is that yet another little perk in your contract? What we will we learn about next? A clause in your contract that allows the Union president to get paid for cleaning out his toe jam at home on City time?

Anonymous said...

Actually, the president actually used comp time to address the City Council. But he argued that he had the right to address the Council while on duty per the contract. I don't know which is worse.

Anonymous said...

Lets not forget the big promotion 2 months ago of Allisa Lewis and Bea Torres

Anonymous said...

It bemoans be to know that no one has asked why the fireman are getting a 7% raise this year. Basically it is the 3 1/2% they "gave up" last year plus the 3 1/2% they are due this year. We all want to bash the police, there are facts that support both sides. One side just happened to back the mayor at election time and is reaping the rewards of their contractual raise.

Anonymous said...

Let's not forget about a Union contract that the president says allows officers to speak at a City Council meeting when they should be out working the streets and maintaining order.

Let's not forget about the sergeants, lieutenants and commanders that were promoted over the course of 2010.

Did they take these promotions for free or, gasp, did the jobs come with more money due to increased responsibility. More money? Really? How much?

While we are talking money, let's have an independent audit of the contracts for the Police Union and Aurora Sergeant's Association and obtain a fresh perspective on how those documents establish a framework for the responsible expenditure of public monies.

Could there be sweetheart provisions in those contracts? Could they encourage abuse of sick time and overtime? Are here other little niceties in there that are just plain dumb?

Anonymous said...

1:05


Don't worry....the posters on this blog don't want facts. Arbitrators deal in facts, and the mayor knows it. Dave is on it brothers and sisters.

Anonymous said...

1:05:
It has been reported that the City is talking to all unions about further concessions this year. I doubt that these raises you refer to are a done deal. The Fire Department also agreed to more money reductions than the Police did last year. It's not hard to beat the Police in that category when all of their sergeants, lieutenants, and commanders refused to make any concessions at all and are still taking that same approach.

Anonymous said...

I did some checking. The Firemen did receive a "sweetheart deal" which equates into 7% raise over two years. Outrageous in this economy. If I was the Police union, I would just take the same raises and concessions. Is that okay Mayor? Fair is Fair

Right? or.....did you make a promise with the fireman who backed your election; to bring parody to Fire and Police personnel? hmmmmm?

Now you realize it's apromise you can't keep, and your running out of time, playing to the public, using every dirty trick you can think of. A famous recording artist once said " you were in a bind, and way behind, and willing to make a deal". uh ohhhhh, about to be exposed.

Anonymous said...

1:21-----

How about the fact that all City workers should take a pay cut so there are few layoffs? No arbitrator needed for that one.

Anonymous said...

As long as we have the union to protect our backs, the niggers and wetbacks as job security and you cocksuckers who continue to live here paying our salary and pensions, we'll continue to live on Easy Street which so happens to be outside the city limits. Please don't move...we Mr. Blues need your green.

Anonymous said...

1:35

Have you ever heard of the charge of "impersonating a peace officer". Tread lightly my friend, nobody believes your a police officer and you will not be allowed to discredit our office. So, are you a police officer?

Anonymous said...

Don't worry....the posters on this blog don't want facts. Arbitrators deal in facts, and the mayor knows it.

Oh Bull!!! Really, arbitrators are seldom impartial and we know the police ones always move the bar ahead for the already overpaid police.

The city should stop with the stupid arbitration and force the cops to strike and then replace them when they do. That would be a good way to clean out these overpaid thugs.

Anonymous said...

I believe 1:35 is a cop. Sounds just like the ones I know only his lack of whining does make me suspect.

Anonymous said...

Tom get your facts straight. The only time that APPO got a one year raise of 8% was in the late 70's or early 80's when the final years of a 3 year contract was tied to the cost of living. This bye the way was at the suggestion of the City. The 8%was added to the base pay to begin the start of a new contract. For the next 20-25 years we signed 3 or 4 year contracts with raises of 2.5 to 3.5 % per year.
When we dealt with Mayor Hill and Bob Murphy, APPO were treated with respect and we were never lied to unlike some other adminstrations.
Not all Aurora Police lived outside the city. I was born and raised here and will probably die here.
I was an Aurora Police Officer because I wanted to be. The pay was poor, my wife was making more as a teacher. I missed holidays, birthdays, and alot of things with my family but it was a job I choose and they supported me. I never cried to the people of Aurora or asked them to feel sorry for me. In return for doing this job that 95% of you people couldn't do or wouldn't do I asked for decent pay and a decent pension which I received.
Remember Tom, you begged people to go to APPO and have them support you but APPO also remembered that you brought us WADMAN and turned your back on us when we tried to get rid of him.
I'm sorry so many of you people hate us but we worked and sacrificed alot and we appreciate everything we got.
145/406

Anonymous said...

Carrie Ann Ergo must spent day and night trying to defend the Mayor on this blog.

Anonymous said...

Looks like there are plenty of policemen blogging away. We are wondering if your contract gives you the second amendment right to blog on the taxpayer's dime. Ya know, kind of like the right of the Union president to make political presentations to the City Council while he's supposed to be out on the street working.

Anonymous said...

Other unions of City workers are willing to renegotiate their contracts, why can't the Police?

As the largest department at the City, are they really willing to be the cause of layoffs in other unions and departments due to their refusal to take part in any adjustments? Do they want to be the ones responsible for affecting the well being of other city workers in a negative way?

Round up some husbands, wives and children of other City workers who can post about how hard their wife, husband or father works while patching streets in the summer heat, fighting fires in a dangerous building, shoveling snow in the dead of winter, repairing water main breaks in a driving rainstorm, inspecting rat infested garbage in stinking yards, turning water service off on families at any time of the year or being on call Christmas Eve.

While these other jobs are being performed, do you really think the Police are the only ones who take crap from people?

The Police act like they are the only ones who do unpleasant work and they are above making any monetary adjustments whatsoever. All workers at the City should be in it together, "brothers and sisters."

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry so many of you people hate us but we worked and sacrificed alot and we appreciate everything we got.

Appreciate it, maybe you do. But knowing many cops as I do, I would say most think it is their God given right.

And you are correct about the hate. Soon will come at time when the general public will be glad to hear of the premature demise of a teachers, police, firefighters, and civil servants because it will free the working man from the yoke of burden inflicted by the outrageous pay and benefit packages. That is a reality that is now just on the horizon.

Anonymous said...

To 4:38 -yer right -dont take it-go out on strike. The cops can't. To-4:50-yer just a nut.

Anonymous said...

The refusal of the two police unions to consider ANY concessions or cuts is really outrageous. They expect everyone at the City but them to take part in the pain. What a sense of entitlement.

Anonymous said...

Hey 5:59 are you stupid. the police officers are currently giving concessions. Just say thank you and move on.

Anonymous said...

Hey 5:59 who are your? Carrie Ann Ergo trying to get the cops to take a pay cut so you can get a Christmas bonus? They fell for you and your Evil Emperor's mind trick before. I don't think it will work again. You can repeat it again and again-it don't change a contract.

Anonymous said...

cle1:05 where in the hell did you get your numbers about the firemen? They are not correct and they gave back a percentage of their base pay, not overtime for shoowing up early. They have always shown up a half an hour before shift with no overtime. Stick to your issues and don't try to drag others down with you.

Anonymous said...

What if all the rest of you crybabies were offered pay increases, overtime and a cushy pension? Would you turn it down. Fuck no you wouldn't.
So shut the hell up you whiners. You make me sick.

Anonymous said...

I is be Police Offucer. You no not how hard is to be cop. All the free things I do. I get upz in morning and get coffee to drive to work. I park my car on police propurtey and then I walk all way from my car to police station enturance. Sometime this take 10 minute, more in snow, there is ice danger of fallen on snow, do I get hazard pay - no I duz not, do I charge you for time I walk from car to police statun, no I do not. You get all for free. The I go get coffee and attend roll call meeting. Many time I am early, do I chrge you no I do not. You think we police only take, but we give, we give big time to you ingratzful people. You could never be police, cuz you not good enuf for job like this. Police urn there pay iz true. Say other you are bad and untruth.

And many say police not educate in coluge. Not true. I went coluge Waubozee and took remedial math and remedial english. I pass class, maybe not first time, but I stick with it and do and get done with class. So police do go coluge and are educate like Doctors and Lawyers and others who earn big pay. You need respict police man officer for we are good guys.

Anonymous said...

Nationally the average copper has an IQ of 104, so a fraction above average. That also means a lot of coppers have IQs in the 80 to 100 range. It also means some are above 104 but not significantly so because many departments will not hire highly intelligent officers as a matter of policy. But all police officers receive above average pay and way above average compensation.

Can you say: Police are way overpaid!

Anonymous said...

No, but I can say,,, you're a fuckin' moron.

Anonymous said...

No, but I can say,,, you're a fuckin' moron.
==================================

So I am qualified to be a police officer after all. Maybe a Patrol Sargent.

Anonymous said...

Aurora needs to find a way to bring more money to the city. I am not an economist, I have no clue what should be done. Tax breaks for businesses, I guess. A shame we lost so much manufacturing here. Then again, how can you compete when someone in China is paid 50 cents/hour compared to what it would be here.

I wish I knew the answers, but I don't. We need to find ways to make Aurora more attractive for businesses and for people to spend their money here.

Anonymous said...

Typical Aurora Cop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yioJQFrqMXM

Anonymous said...

So I am qualified to be a police officer after all. Maybe a Patrol Sargent.
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Stick to what you know best... sucking dicks.

Anonymous said...

Stick to what you know best... sucking dicks.
==================================
Then I would be Stephie Kifowit.

Anonymous said...

I notice that a lot of these posts sure do mirror eachother, both in content and grammar.

Tom, I sure hope your fingers don't get tired working that Blackberry all day.

Anonymous said...

PLEASE NOTE THIS LIST DOES NOT INCLUDE STRESS/WORK RELATED SUICIDES, WHICH NUMBER IN THE HUNDREDS CONTINUALLY EACH YEAR SINCE THE HIGH CRIME RATES OF THE MID 80'S.
Police Officer Maylon Thompson (Tommy) Bishop Jr. Friday, January 1, 2010

Deputy Sheriff John Bernard Sunday, January 3, 2010

Special Deputy Marshal Stanley W. Cooper Monday, January 4, 2010

Deputy Sheriff Josie Greathouse Fox Tuesday, January 5, 2010

Corporal James J. Szuba Saturday, January 9, 2010

Police Officer Alfred Celestain Monday, January 11, 2010

Trooper Duane Dalton Tuesday, January 12, 2010

Police Officer Craig Story Wednesday, January 13, 2010

Trooper Paul G. Richey Wednesday, January 13, 2010

Captain Chad Reed Thursday, January 14, 2010

Deputy Sheriff James Louis Anderson Thursday, January 14, 2010

Sergeant Noel David Cordero-Guzmán Friday, January 15, 2010

Corporal Christopher Milito Saturday, January 16, 2010

Trooper Jill Mattice Wednesday, January 20, 2010

Chief of Police Carl Worley Tuesday, January 26, 2010

Lieutenant Eric Lewis Shuhandler Thursday, January 28, 2010

Agent Frank Glover Thursday, January 28, 2010

Investigator Jerry Crabtree Friday, January 29, 2010

Juvenile Detention Officer Leonard Wall Sunday, January 31, 2010

Trooper Andrew C. Baldridge Thursday, February 4, 2010


Sergeant Ira G. Essoe Sr. Thursday, February 4, 2010

Senior Parole Agent Ellane E. Aimiuwu Sunday, February 7, 2010

Deputy Sheriff William Frederick Schuck III Sunday, February 7, 2010

Corporal Jeremy McLaren Sunday, February 7, 2010

Major Timothy Joel Bergeron Sunday, February 7, 2010

Deputy Sheriff Don McCutcheon Monday, February 8, 2010

Police Officer David T. Zolendziewski Thursday, February 11, 2010

Deputy Sheriff Davy Wayne Crawford Friday, February 12, 2010

Police Officer Robert (Bob) Heinle Friday, February 12, 2010

Lieutenant Michael Vogt Monday, February 15, 2010

Police Officer Kevin B. Wilkins Thursday, February 18, 2010

Sergeant Alan J. Haymaker Monday, February 22, 2010

Deputy Sheriff Joel Wahlenmaier Thursday, February 25, 2010

Deputy Sheriff Ken Collier Sunday, February 28, 2010

Police Officer Javier Bejar Monday, March 1, 2010

Inspector Brian P. Waynant Sr. Monday, March 1, 2010

Officer Christopher Upton Friday, March 5, 2010

Corporal J. R. Searcy Saturday, March 6, 2010

Police Officer James Bonneau Tuesday, March 9, 2010

Corporal Thomas P. (Tom) Jensen Tuesday, March 9, 2010

Police Officer Thomas Patton II Saturday, March 13, 2010

Patrolman James Kerstetter Monday, March 15, 2010

Officer Brian Walsh Sunday, March 21, 2010

Ranger Kenneth Betancourt Tuesday, March 23, 2010

Ranger Félix Rodríguez Tuesday, March 23, 2010

Officer Timothy Joseph Zurovetz Wednesday, March 24, 2010

Police Officer David Haynes Wednesday, March 24, 2010

Corporal Kevin Cusack Saturday, March 27, 2010

Anonymous said...

Sergeant Hector Ismael Ayala Sunday, April 4, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Chad Pritchard Tuesday, April 6, 2010


Constable John W. Brown Saturday, April 10, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Jacob Rene Rayos Sunday, April 11, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Kory Dahlvig Sunday, April 25, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Ian Michael Deutch Monday, April 26, 2010


Officer Rodney Holder Thursday, April 29, 2010


Police Officer Bryan J. Durman Thursday, April 29, 2010


Sergeant Franco Aguilar Thursday, April 29, 2010


Sergeant Joseph Bergeron Saturday, May 1, 2010

Anonymous said...

Police Officer Brian Huff Monday, May 3, 2010


Pilot Officer Danny Benavides Friday, May 7, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Brian Lamar Mahaffey Saturday, May 8, 2010


Police Officer Tauveve Vivao Tuesday, May 11, 2010


Trooper Patrick Ambroise Saturday, May 15, 2010


Police Officer Eydelmen Mani Wednesday, May 19, 2010


Police Officer Thomas E. Wortham IV Thursday, May 20, 2010


Chief of Police Daniel K. Duncan Thursday, May 20, 2010


Police Officer Bill Evans Thursday, May 20, 2010


Sergeant Brandon Paudert Thursday, May 20, 2010


Border Patrol Agent Mark Van Doren Monday, May 24, 2010


Police Officer James M. (Jimmy) Johnson Jr. Wednesday, May 26, 2010


Police Officer Travis P. Murphy Wednesday, May 26, 2010


Trooper Marc Castellano Sunday, June 6, 2010


Police Officer Joshua Yazzie Monday, June 7, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Eddie Wotipka Thursday, June 10, 2010


Officer Thomas Philip Coleman Friday, June 11, 2010


Trooper First Class Wesley Brown Friday, June 11, 2010


Detective Michael Perry Saturday, June 12, 2010


Sergeant Doug Weddleton Friday, June 18, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Caroline Green Saturday, June 19, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Dean Ridings Saturday, June 19, 2010


Police Officer Craig Shaw Sunday, June 20, 2010


Officer Philip Ortiz Tuesday, June 22, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Melissa Powers Tuesday, June 22, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Richard Daniels Tuesday, June 22, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Carol Scruggs Friday, June 25, 2010


Natural Resources Officer Luke D. Nihart Saturday, June 26, 2010


Officer Justin McGrory Sunday, June 27, 2010


Officer Brett Oswald Sunday, June 27, 2010


Officer David Curtis Tuesday, June 29, 2010


Officer Jeffrey Kocab Tuesday, June 29, 2010


Police Officer Thor Odin Soderberg Wednesday, July 7, 2010


Sergeant Orville Smith Wednesday, July 7, 2010


Officer Charles Collins Sunday, July 11, 2010


Police Officer Michael R. Bailey Sunday, July 18, 2010


Deputy Sheriff David Lambert Tuesday, July 20, 2010


Sheriff Garry Welford Wednesday, July 21, 2010


Detective Lieutenant Liusila Brown Thursday, July 22, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Samuel A. Smith Friday, July 23, 2010


Corporal Matthew Edwards Friday, July 23, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Shawn Hess Friday, July 23, 2010


Police Officer Carlos Ledesma Wednesday, July 28, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Jon Willis Wednesday, July 28, 2010


Inspector Timothy Charles Barnes Wednesday, July 28, 2010

Anonymous said...

Patrolman Glen Agee Friday, August 6, 2010


Chief of Police William T. (Bill) Bauer Friday, August 6, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Christopher Dewey Monday, August 9, 2010


Police Officer Jeremy J. Hubbard Tuesday, August 10, 2010


Police Officer Leonard Reed Wednesday, August 18, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Brian Harris Thursday, August 26, 2010


Chief of Police Paul Jeffrey Fricke Friday, August 27, 2010


Sergeant Anthony Wallace Saturday, August 28, 2010


Officer Matthew Tokuoka Sunday, August 29, 2010


Trooper First Class Kenneth R. Hall Thursday, September 2, 2010


Border Patrol Agent Michael V. Gallagher Thursday, September 2, 2010


Corrections Officer Kellie Pena Friday, September 3, 2010


Auxiliary Lieutenant Dan Kromer Wednesday, September 8, 2010


Officer John Zykas Wednesday, September 8, 2010


Sergeant Thomas Alexander Saturday, September 11, 2010


Trooper Mark D. Barrett Tuesday, September 14, 2010


Officer Dan De Kraai Wednesday, September 15, 2010


Corporal David Ralph Slaton Monday, September 20, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Mark A. Longway Tuesday, September 21, 2010


Police Officer James E. Fowler III Monday, September 27, 2010


Correctional Officer Tracy Cooper Tuesday, September 28, 2010



Police Officer William Edward (Will) Phillips III Thursday, September 30, 2010


Police Officer Merrill Bruguier Saturday, October 9, 2010


Patrolman Karl R. McDonough Wednesday, October 13, 2010


Petty Officer Shaun Lin Wednesday, October 13, 2010


Sergeant Joseph (Joe) Schuengel Friday, October 15, 2010


Sergeant Sean Drenth Monday, October 18, 2010


Police Officer Tommy Portz Wednesday, October 20, 2010


Sergeant Timothy Prunty Sunday, October 24, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Odell McDuffie Jr. Monday, October 25, 2010


Police Officer John Abraham Monday, October 25, 2010


Captain George Green Tuesday, October 26, 2010


Lieutenant Jose A. Cordova-Montañez Tuesday, October 26, 2010


Police Officer Christopher A. Wilson Wednesday, October 27, 2010


Deputy Sheriff Dean Miera Friday, October 29, 2010


Police Officer Sergio Antillon Friday, October 29, 2010


Police Officer Paul Dittamo Saturday, October 30, 2010


Police Officer Ryan Bonaminio Sunday, November 7, 2010


Total number of officers killed in the line of duty in 2010: 141
Printed on November 12, 2010

Visit the memorials of each of these fallen heroes at www.ODMP.org

Anonymous said...

Every death is a tragedy and has a devistating impact on the families of the deceased. In 2009, 4,340 workers died on the job (according to the OSHA website). These deaths do not count the men and women in our armed services who died in combat.

Some of these were police officers and firefighters, many were not. Every death of a worker is a tragedy no matter what the profession.

Anonymous said...

Its all over town Weisner has been dumped by Dick Hawks he will not be running again. Lauzen for Mayor

Anonymous said...

Lauzen has never learned to play well with others. This is the guy that got into an altercation with his son's football coach over the amount of play time his son was given.

It is common knowledge that Lauzen is known for his screaming matches with those who disagree with him.

In his many years in Springfield he has not risen to any position of leadership nor can he point to any major legislation that he has authored.

Lauzen has been against everything and accomplished nothing

Anonymous said...

To the funny guy at 8:33-The contract has no misspellings. And your Hero the mayor signed it. So you have to pay it. Who's dumb now.

Anonymous said...

I say we fire all cops, teachers and firemen. We can all home school, police ourselves and dump water on our fires. Hell society is going down as it is. I just hope the government will keep give me money. I love this president. I get paid to lay on my back and smoke crack

Anonymous said...

So what is this list suppose to prove? Would you like a list of people who are killed in industrial accidents each year? Would you like a list of how many people are maimed for life in the meat packing industry? How about constructions worker deaths? How many people die going to and from work?

Yes police officers are at risk, but the are paid a HUGE premium to take that risk, and a premium that is not commensurate with the risk ensued. the risk is overstated hence the reward is overstated. Try adjusting the risk for demographics, IQ, and personality and watch what happens. Guess what nothing is statistically abnormal once adjusted for the listed compensation factors.

Want to compare being a cop to being a black male youth in Chicago? Maybe we should overcompensate them also merely for existing. Mathematically some group always has to be at the bottom btw, raise that group up and a new bottom point occurs.

Anonymous said...

C'mon 9:34 nobody believes anything you say. All you do is attack cops. Do you hate the FBI, DEA, ATF, State Police, SOS, U.S. Capital Police, Secret Service, and other agencies....or just Aurora. C'mon What gives. Many of them face less risk than we do and have better benefits. Why just Aurora dude?

Anonymous said...

"While other unions at the City took furlough days in 2010, the police union took none"

APPO offered to take furlouh days but the city said no. Most memebrs of APPO would of rather taken furlough days. They money APPO gave back last year was nearly equal to what would of been reovered with 10 furlough days but the officers still worked. With furlough days, you at least get the day off when you reduce your pay.

Anonymous said...

10:23 - you don't accept the truth? That is what I am trying to do, bring reality to the police officers who live in alternative universe, where they deal with the lowest forms of life, but are insulated from the economic realities of a globalized economy and therefore can no longer relate to the general population and more than the Mayor of any civil servant can.

Anonymous said...

Anyone that wanted the pay and benefits of a police officer could of signed up, taken the test, and, if they passed, became a police officer. I wish I made the money of a doctor, a pro athlete, a movie star, an engineer, a lawyer, but I don't because I do not work those jobs. Don't be jealous of something you don't have. If you want to be paid like a police officer, become a police officer.

Anonymous said...

"Every death of a worker is a tragedy no matter what the profession"

You are correct, every workplace death is a tragedy. But police officers are MURDERED for doing their jobs. Most workplace deaths are accidents, except in police work.

Anonymous said...

10:40

I will accept the truth. However, I will not accept an erroneous opinion. Now please answer these two questions. A yes or no will suffice.

Are all law enforcement personnel over-compensated?

Does a plumber make too much money?

Anonymous said...

Are all law enforcement personnel over-compensated?

Does a plumber make too much money?

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Since you made these absolutes I will not answer the questions posed directly. However I will tell you the answer is the same to the following question and asked in the same disingenuous spirit:

Do police officers suck dick?

In general union plumbers make too much money because they are buttressed by rules that force union wages through manipulation of the prevailing wage enforcement. This artificially inflate the wages of many plumbers.

The problem with law enforcement wages and salaries is that law enforcement wage increases are not tied to increase in productivity which is inflationary. At any given level you have many candidates that meet the qualifications for the position, but instead of letting the market determine the wage the pay grades determine the compensation which means they are overpaid in aggregate.

Anonymous said...

US Bureau of Labor Statistice reports:
"Police and sheriff's patrol officers had median annual wages of $51,410 in May 2008. The middle 50 percent earned between $38,850 and $64,940. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $30,070, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $79,680. Median annual wages were $46,620 in Federal Government, $57,270 in State government, $51,020 in local government and $43,350 in educational services."

Aurora Police officers make $85,000 base pay after 5 years. Add reporting time, court time and other overtime it can easily total $100,000 annually.

When it comes to poliuce wages - Aurora is second to none.

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEvZBKwvE0k&feature=related

This is an accurate description of a police officer

Anonymous said...

The patrol officers have a contract. The city needs to honor the contract. END OF STORY. If the city chooses to lay off police officers and spend money on a park-so be it-they'll have to answer at election time. Its too bad Weisner chooses to turn the public against the Police in order to deflect his poor decision making. He signed the contract. Sure, he can ask-but their answer was no. So he needs to move on without allowing the cops to look like they are doing something wrong. He's in charge of the bank account. I'd like to call my credit card company and tell them I don't want to pay them back because I planned poorly. But too bad. And look up the difference between a budget deficit and a deficit. A deficit means you don't have the money. A budget deficit means you don't have the money to do all the stuff you want to do-like festivals, parks, tickets to fund raisers, feel-good projects. I think thats why City Hall won't submit to a real audit. They are afraid of the truth. Well if the cops are in arbitration-the judge will find out. So leave it alone.

Anonymous said...

11:35

It was hard to get it out of you but my suspicions have been confirmed.

1.) You think a lot of people make TOO much money. You are simply jealous because you don't have the skills to perform at a high level.

2.) You cherry pick information to prop up a very weak argument. I.E. Department of labor data. Even a freshman economic student knows that wages and benefits are directly tied to the demographics of a particularly region.

Stick with your argument if you want, but, it fails at every turn.

Anonymous said...

11/12/10 @ 12:13

Nice job dude. You exposed that SOB.

He hates the police and thinks they are an oppressive force. The boy don't like authority and never has; ironic aint it. WHO"S THE WHINER??

He also thinks if people make more than him, well than they make too much money.


You know what we have here?

An obamanomics wealth distribution specialist. He's going nowhere fast!

Hey maybe someone will come by your house and give you a "handout". It's what you really want, aint it?

Here's a little advice. Let the market place decide bro. Get off the lefty lefty bandwagon before you die of stress trying to follow a broken idea.

Have a good one bro

Anonymous said...

12:03-----
Everybody at the City has a contract. But all Unions of City workers except for the Police Patrolmen and the Sergeants Association, are willing to renegotiate and make some sacrifices.

End of story? Not really. The Patrolmen and the ASA cover the entire Police Force. Everybody but the Police are able to recognize the collective brotherhood that all City workers should have. They aren't selfish.

Anonymous said...

The public is not with the Police Unions on this one. Residents all over Aurora have made downward adjustments at the workplace just to keep working. We don't understand why you can not do the same.

Anonymous said...

12:41

Good point. We will take the exact percent raises that the firemen got, and will be receiving, and we will give back the same amount of furlough time. Oh and we will take the same amount of new hires and lay offs (=0).

Is that Okay with you?

Anonymous said...

If policemen do not use their clothing allowance for 2010, are they required to give it back? How does that work? How many officers use their yearly allowance? How much money is given out per officer? How much is spent on uniforms? Can this be obtained under the Freedom of Information Act?

Anonymous said...

12:50
What would be OK with me is for the biggest department at the City to agree to sit down and seriously discuss material sacrifices.

Anonymous said...

12:56

What's that about? Sounds like your one of those psycho cops that got fired. By the way the initial lay out for an officers clothing gun etc is about 4000 bucks dumb ass.

I know, I know, janitors and other workers don't need that much to buy theri clothes! Etc etc, on and on.....

Anonymous said...

1:00 pm

been there done that. pay attention please

Anonymous said...

If the firemen concessions are good enough for Weisner, why couldn't the same concessions be applied to the police.

Anyone?

Anonymous said...

To 12:03 they might have a contract-but they also can go on strike if they didn't like their cutbacks. They chose not to. I hope it works out for them. As far as your collective good and brotherhood and selfish talk-socializem has been tried and fails, Weisner is trying communisem-but the law is against him-I'll stick with the free market. Negotiate for the best deal you can get, hold people accountable for their word. As far as the public not being with the Police Officers on this one-I saw no one at the city council meeting stand up and say that, I saw two citizens stand up and say they supported the Police. i see no letters to the editor saying they are against the Police in the Beacon-fused. And when I read the Daily Herald I'd say that most blogers are supporting the Police. So your anonymous opinions are noted. Thanks. Now go YouTube.

Anonymous said...

11:35

It was hard to get it out of you but my suspicions have been confirmed.


If that is the confirmation, then if you are a cop I feel sorry for those you erroneously arrest. You are not even close in the rest of your commentary but good try in trying to deflect the focus form the outrageous wage and benefit package paid to public sector employees. the funny thing is, you guys seem to think the economy will just recover and you can go back to raping and pillaging the treasury. Nope - long term the animosity between the civil servant leeches and the public will grow.

Anonymous said...

To 11:07 you need to take an English as a second language class. Learn and use grammar if you want to make a point.

Anonymous said...

Naperville police have a contract too. Six officers said bye-bye in Naperville.....anyone wanna guess how many blue macho men in Aurora go on food stamps? For you brothers let go, hope that puffy contract keeps you warm stuffed inside your shirt standing outside Hesed House at night.

Anonymous said...

1:07

Move out to California and get a degree....from Berkly!

Anonymous said...

Hi, my name is Toby.

I'm going to the Tom's house for dinner. again

Anonymous said...

2:03 Huh???

Anonymous said...

Tommy boy is playing with fire. Watch him get burned.

Anonymous said...

The great bearded one will come out of this mess looking very bad, I suspect.

Has Lisa Madigan called you yet Tommy boy ?

Ralph said...

Lets make a good Idea and not come up with saying that can not be proved.

Its very easy if the city is having a hard time making its payroll than all city employees take the same cut,

All city unions sit down with the city council with a copy of the city work force.after cutting the fat. all employees that the same cut.1%, 5%m till we have a budget that is balanced,

Sgt Ralph (retired).

Yes I do lived in the city,

Anonymous said...

Hey 1:04 p.m.:

Pssssstttttttt.....

Do you really believe that the people of Aurora support the APPO and ASA in their juvenile selfishness? You are basing this assertion on blog comments, two speakers at a City Council meeting and four newspaper commentaries in the Daily Herald? Is this what I just read? Really?????

You've been talking to too many of your fellow cops. You suffer from the effects of living in an alternative universe where you are insulated from the real world by your contract which was signed in fantasy land along with your pork fed work rules. These distortions have made you dillusional.

It's no wonder that you have a sense of entitlement.

Here's a news flash. Other City workers do not support you nor do the regular residents of this City who've never had the protective luxury of making $83,000 after only three years on the job.

We support police and all of the COP programs as well as cops in schools and out on the street. But here's where we draw the line.

We do not support your out of line salaries.

In assessing local government, many would agree that a strong police department is necessary, but no one would believe, except for police officers, that in this lousy economy, its members need to be making between $80,000 and $100,000 per year.

That's your want, not a community need.

So man up, renegotiate your little contract and do what many of us have already done, not only in Aurora, but across the country as well. Make some downward adjustments in your pay.

Anonymous said...

Mr. 8:13-

That's what should be done. In fact, the City has started to do that already by eliminating the office of special events, cutting way back on community parties and festivals, eliminating preservation loans, reducing ward committee funds, etc. Now instead of the police unions turning their backs on this collective effort, they need to jump in and be part of the solution.

Ralph said...

If you are able to vote please consider voting for Dan H for alderman, I watched him go up the ladder while a member of the Police department. I could not ask you to pick a better person.

I urge each and every person I knew, while living in Orchard Valley to vote for Dan.

Sgt Ralph (retired).

Anonymous said...

To 8:21 No! Now quit asking!

Anonymous said...

Dontcha think it's kinda kuhl that the Mayor has taken on the Police Unions full force. Others would have never dared do it. He doesn't operate to make everybody happy, including City employees who complain the most and live in Kendall County.

Anonymous said...

Hey 8:37:

Please apply some baby powder to deal with the chaffing and irritation of your posterior area. It's affecting the tone of your responses and I am deeply offended.

Anonymous said...

Hey 8:40. I don't get it. I've lost nothing I havn't agreed to. Your mayor has you distracted from your tax money-not mine-he's spending to build a riverfront park that I'll make overtime working. Cryin? I'm laughing!

Anonymous said...

Stop trying to drag down the firemen. They did not get a raise last year and probably won't this year. Have you been around long enough to remember when Stover was Mayor? Sweet ass deals for the police and the firemen went without contracts on a regular basis. Want to talk about taking care of a union? Some people have short memories.

Anonymous said...

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We support police and all of the COP programs as well as cops in schools and out on the street. But here's where we draw the line.

We do not support your out of line salaries.

In assessing local government, many would agree that a strong police department is necessary, but no one would believe, except for police officers, that in this lousy economy, its members need to be making between $80,000 and $100,000 per year.

That's your want, not a community need.
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Exactly - amen.

Anonymous said...

This is what we are all paying 80-100k a year for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZRy-6hVuco

Anonymous said...

Tom. You suck.

Love,

Aurora

Anonymous said...

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We support police and all of the COP programs as well as cops in schools and out on the street. But here's where we draw the line.

We do not support your out of line salaries.

In assessing local government, many would agree that a strong police department is necessary, but no one would believe, except for police officers, that in this lousy economy, its members need to be making between $80,000 and $100,000 per year.

That's your want, not a community need.
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You do realize, of course, that no one in APPO is talking about thier salary. This has nothing to do with salary. These men and women became the police because they wanted to help people. They realize, unlike the mayor, that losing cops is no way to help the citizens of Aurora. They understand that they need MORE of them, not less. They are already understaffed, and the mayor wants to CUT more officers !?

The auditor APPO hired is not to find money to get a raise, or support their salary. It's to show that idiot Wisner that he does not need to fire any officers.

Listen, I know for certain what this is about. It's not about money. It's about helping people. Honest to God. The mayor doesn't care about people (other that his own staff). But the police really care.

Anonymous said...

OK. If you don't want to lose any cops then change your unbending negotiation tactics. Get to the negotiating table and offer some salary reductions like workers all over the U.S. have done.

The community supports the police but not your salaries and that is an important difference. Only your fellow officers, sergeants, lieutenants and commanders are with you on this.

So don't turn your backs on the residents of Aurora. Take some realistic salary and benefit cuts like grown-ups.

Anonymous said...

You young officers reading this who are about to be laid off, remember how the 20 year guys are sacrificing you so they can prop up their pensions. Next time you respond to a shots fired call and ask for backup, and a 20 year guy shows up, do you really think he is going to have your back? Jeez no, he is going to make sure you take point, he's not going to jeopardize his big payout. Think about that next time things go south on a call..........

Anonymous said...

Don't want to renegotiate your contracts? Then read Lauzens letter in the fishwrap today. I guess the shortfall of 6 or 7 BILLION is not good enough for the state pension funds. NOw the idiot governer wants more debt to pay for the debt we already have. Looks to me like we are as bankrupt at CALIFORNIA so just keep asking for more money for your pensions and more raises to your salaries. I think when the end comes and it will come shortly you will be lucky to get any kind of a check. Pension or salary.

Anonymous said...

Person buys a house, bank gives person a mortgage at $1000 a month. Economy goes bad. Person loses job. Has conversation with bank.

Person: "I have a decrease in my income. Can I reduce my payment?"
Bank: "No, you have signed a mortgage contract. Pay what was agreed to."
Person: "But I can't, my income is reduced. I can pay $800 a month though. Can we talk about it?"
Bank: "You have a contract. Pay us what you owe us."
Person: "I know that, but I don't have the money. Can I refinance to a lower rate?"
Bank: "No, your house is not worth anything."
Person: "But it was when I bought it!"
Bank: "It is not worth as much now. We will not modify your mortgage. Pay what you owe us, we have a contract."
Person:"OK, let me get this straight. I can't pay you the contract rate, and you won't accept a reduced rate. You won't let me refinance. All that is left is for me to walk away. If I do that, you get no money and have a worthless house, and I have no place to live. Is this correct?"
Bank:"That is correct. Have a nice day."

Welcome to the new America, and welcome to Aurora police contract negotiations.

Anonymous said...

Bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbut wait just aaaaaaaaa minute here. This fable can be construed several ways, but not in Aurora in 2010. It's the City that is willing to re-negotiate while the patrolman, sergeants, lieutenants and commanders take that inflexible and greedy approach made famous by Silas Marner.

I appreciate the post, but someone could do much better with a little story that painted the Unions in their true colors.

Anonymous said...

Read the Sun Times today about officers all over the area being laid off. The sad thing is that many of them could have been avoided with realistic thinking and flexibility in negotiations.

So gloat over that tough contract you have, cowboy. You'll show 'em who's boss, won't ya?

Anonymous said...

Here's the link:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2890368,CST-NWS-layoffs13.article

"At least 15 police departments in the region have downsized through layoffs in recent years."

That means 15 towns were hiding money, 15 towns need forensic audits......and 15 towns are run by Tom Weisner!!

Or so the police would have you believe.........

Anonymous said...

The problem with your bank fable is that the bank is saying let me see your check stub and the homeowner is saying "no". If Weisner is the homeowner he's not saying he cant pay the mortgage-hes saying "Bank-take less so I can go to Disney, put a pool in the back yard, give to my favorite charity, and still have money to blow!!!" And don't forget the cops already let Leisner "refinance" once only to see him turn around and go on a wild spending spree instead of banking some money. I say foreclose on him and lets try the next homeowner. The police ain't going anywhere.

Anonymous said...

With an attitude like that, you will be going somewhere. It's called out the door into the real world where you will have no cushy contract. You can see how far your braggadocio takes you when you are outside of your fantasy land.

Anonymous said...

To all our men and blue, how much do you think you could earn if you were not a police officer? Would you have a pension, how about lifetime health care?

Anonymous said...

11/12 @ 6:27pm
Check out what the City employees get.

Anonymous said...

Oh you foolish Weisner Cool-Aid drinkers! The cops are already in arbitration and Weisner knows it. You can't get rid of the Police. Its against the law-labor law. You can lay some off-maybe under ten-but not for very long. They're already too understaffed. They already are hiring overtime now. You might as well stop your "Tokyo Rose" broadcasts of Leisners propaganda. You got your answer from the cops. No. They are already currently giving concessions. And they would be fools to give anything prior to a complete neutral audit and the arbitrators decision. Move on to the next union and see what their answer is. Hopefully they will stand strong.

Anonymous said...

Everybody supports the Police. If you don't, it's like saying you don't think puppies are cute.

If you're a criminal, gang banger, enterprising seller or distributor of recreational or addictive drugs, skinhead, deviant, etc. you really don't factor into this discussion.

But few people except Policemen support officers making $80,000 to $100,000 each year. And that's before overtime.

Few people support a stinking and paralyzing bureaucracy of sergeants and lieutenants that lays the groundwork for an officer to make more than $100,00 each year.

Few people support the ability of someone to make over $80,000 annually after their third year on the job. And that's before overtime.

Few people support a group of City workers who will force layoffs in other departments with their inflexible negotiation positions.

Few people support a group that could keep all of its officers working by taking a 10% pay cut.

Few people would support a group if they knew some of the one-sided, sweetheart language that is contained within its labor contract.


Many people in this community have taken more than a 10% pay cut over the past year.

Many people in this area have had their homes foreclosed.

Many people have had to make hard adjustments in their lives due to the new economic reality.

Many people do not understand why the Police can not do the same.

Many people believe that they could afford to make adult sacrifices and keep the force intact.

Many people believe they can't afford no to.

Anonymous said...

Many people are fools that fall for politicians lies. History proves that. I'll stick to the law. I"ll stick to judges decisions. Thanks. Now bye-bye.

Anonymous said...

7:56 p.m.

There is a factor in life called change.

It is one of the few constants in life.

I am glad you can stand strong. But there have been many other organizations that have stood quite strong but withered away and died weak because they could not adjust to change.

Many of them did so after failing to modify blood sucking union practices that protected contract clauses but did nothing to foster productivity.

Many of them did so after failing to alter life smothering management practices that squeezed excess, excess profit and diverted it into areas that fed greed and non contribution.

What do we have here? What factor or factors form a common thread in the fifteen cities that resulted in recently laid off officers in the Chicago suburbs?

Anonymous said...

The cops will change. Just ask the arbitrator to change the contract. Its just that easy. Present your best case-they will present theirs. Bring Weisners facts and figures-the cops will bring theirs. And the arbitrator will decide. We'll see who he believes the most. In four years we'll see who's still around. Weisner or the Aurora Police union. You can see what your campaign slogan of "change" just did for the democrats.

Anonymous said...

Hey 7:56 -The Police aren't supposed to make a profit. They aren't even supposed to break even. They are supposed to protect people and property. They are encharge with upholding the law. And a contract IS the law. They aren't in competition with anybody else. They can't strike. They have good benefits because thats what the city offered them. The city signed the contract. Nobody forced them too.

Anonymous said...

Check out what the City employees get.
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Go ahead, compare what city inspector gets paid to the police - it is a huge gap.

Anonymous said...

I love when somebody gets whuped in a debate and then pretends it didn't just happen and goes back to some lame "i meant to do that " posting like 10:25. When you have to prop up a campaign like the Mayor is trying that s built on half-truths and smoke and mirrors, thats going to happen. "Pure conjecture!" now there is a foundation.

Anonymous said...

Caponigro, a Prospect Heights cop and former Chicago Housing Authority officer, is one of six members of the 21-officer force cut loose last weekend for budgetary reasons. His chief, Bruce Morris, resigned shortly before the layoffs were final.

Awesome. That is almost 1/3 of the bloodsuckers gone. I am sure the city could replace them with private security contractors when the need arises and save a small fortune without the weight of pensions and only having to pay market level wages.

Officers easily cost the city of Aurora 165 an hour when you factor in equipment. Why are these expensive resources used to take bike theft reports and burglary reports? This is simply clerical work and should be priced accordingly. Save the police for the adrenaline pumping jobs. They are not needed at Downtown Alive (which should be totally eliminated and permanently done away with), use security firms and volunteers like everyone else does.

Note the Casino bought it way out of Aurora's finest, because they saw no benefit and simply a huge cost.

Anonymous said...

The only folks getting whupped here are the police. Their antics are going to having citizens everywhere cheering their demise. Some of us live in decent places like StoneBridge and pay for private security anyways, so all you cops represent to us are a burden, a burden that the city should dispose of.

Anonymous said...

Ya know 11:23-I don't believe you one bit. Talk about one of the Mayors city spokesman making some stuff up. You don't live in Stonebridge. Sorry C.A.E.

Anonymous said...

And you wont get the cops to say anything negative about the security officers that work in the city either. They also have a difficult job, a dangerous job, and are more often than not under-compensated for the risks that they may run up against. And don't forget that there job is to call Police in the event of a emergency. I support private security 100%.

Anonymous said...

and are more often than not under-compensated for the risks that they may run up against.
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Naw - it is just that the police are WAY overcompensated. Security guards generally reflect free market wages.

Anonymous said...

So do the police-that what an arbitrator calls comparable. Your tactic of trying to turn different groups against each other hopefully wont fool many. i.e. cops against other city labor unions, inspectors, or even other neighborhoods. We all know how Weisner is and operates. Thats why he only received one endorsement in the last election from a city union. No other union endorsed him. And now he comes for vengeance. Well, good luck in court. I think the supervisors union is about to hand him a nice defeat. Why doesn't he ask Quinn for some more "magic" riverfront park money to pay for some more illegal labor actions







for some of that riverfront grant money to help pay for some of the lawsuits he continues to loose.

Anonymous said...

And to 11:12? I agree that the casino bought the CIty out of the casino contract. And what did Weisner do with the money. Bailed out a pet organization that a Alderman sit on the board of, moved them into public property, gave contracts to outside contractors to tear down, and put up a parking lot next to his bridge to be built to support his riverfront park. Good use of money in these economic times????

Anonymous said...

What does Weisner's corruption, incompetence and dishonesty have to do with the fact Aurora Police are overpaid and need to take a severe pay cut?

Anonymous said...

The FACT that he is hiding money and has the funds to pay the contracts as is. Thats why city hall is dragging its feet when it comes to an independent auditor. They talk a good game,and the Beacon news under reports and does no digging(Daily Herald does much better) When the police agreed to give concessions THIS year the city made promises that they were going to balance the budget. The Police Officers gave in, only to see Weisner turn around and give HUGE raises to his numerous "city spokesman, hanchmen, etc. etc." The exact same people who were the ones who directly asked the officers to "give back and pitch in" to help the city. It was a huge slap in the face. It was a reward to his insiders for getting the Police to cave in. And when they got caught they gave a big "shuck and Jive" story about how "they were doing more work because of staff decreases". What hypocrisy! All the other City departments had personnel losses,(yes, cops too through attrition) Weisner, instead of being thankful, went on in public to brag about how he was the first Mayor to get Unions to submit to altering the contracts. And you can all of a sudden say they are overpaid, but not in comparison with citys like Joliet, Elgin, Chicago etc etc. Are there 15 communities that are laying off? Yes. Do they have Aurora's crime-not even close. Aurora, as great as it is-has issues that need direct attention every day. If these other town can get by with fewer officers so be it. Save the tax money. I truly believe that Aurora would pay a price in the long run. Penny wise, pound foolish. They'll pay in higher crime, longer response times, increased overtime, higher burnout for the remaining Police. But the Mayor will try it, just to make a point. It will be like the city paying overtime to cover other people's furlough days this year. The ultimate irony! Have the Beacon dig into that.

Anonymous said...

Given the economic situation, we have to be ever more vigilant in making sure that crimes against property, theft, burglary and things like that -- that we keep a handle on that," Weisner said. "And in difficult times, domestic violence and some of those really ugly crimes can increase." ----Mayor Tom Weisner, Chicago Tribune April 10, 2009

Anonymous said...

I don't understand some of these responses. I'm not kidding, I don't know how this works. There are people saying an arbitrator will protect the police officers, and other people are making fun of layoffs. Can the arbitrator prevent a city layoff? Is that in the contract? If the city can layoff and the police group can't stop it, I don't understand all the talk about staying strong. Won't that pretty much do what the police group doesn't want, which is lose officers? But the ones that remain will get a raise? I don't get what is going on here?

Anonymous said...

What should be going on is for all City workers to share in the pain and make salary and hourly pay reductions. Simple as that. The Police, because they are paid too much, have been granted special and favored treatment for many years and gave up virtually nothing last year except a guaranteed daily overtime allotment of fifteen minutes, which is ridiculous to begin with, and half of their clothing allowance, which many officer do not fully use and pocket, should lead the way.

Anonymous said...

Per 11:59, all available money should go to the police and the heck with any development of the downtown and the riverfront for our residents to enjoy.

Anonymous said...

To answer 8:34's question, (which is something the 8:55 person who sounds like a Chinese Communist propaganda minister never seems to do) "Wookas-all stick togeder fo common good for Chairman Weisner!"Anyway-to newer your question. They mayor can lay off who ever and when ever he wants. He knows how understaffed the Police are. He knows it will be a problem. But he doesn't want to stick to the contract that he made just a few months ago. He doesn;t want to have to submit to a outside financial audit-something that I would think the citizens are now seeing is truly in order. The arbitrator makes sure the city is complying to the terms of the legal agreement that they made. Nothing more-nothing less. The city knows they have violated the contract in the past and have been punished for it. So thats the quandary that he is in. The officers don't want to see any city worker laid off. But they are already giving concessions, and were fooled before. They have simply said they are not willing to do so again. And to 9:08 a.m. you have to get your priorities in order. And spending money on festival grounds you cant afford so you can pay outside construction companies should not be a PRIORITY when your laying off snow plow drivers, city inspectors, the events staff, and yes even the Police.

Anonymous said...

We are facing economic problems in this country not seen since the great depression and annual flexibility in wages is really what's in order with reductions being necessary. I know that it's hard for some of the fossils to understand, but that's a fact. Both unions and management need to realize this as the days of multi-year contracts ruling the finances of the City are over. It's no longer all about your contract and its left over abuses.

Anonymous said...

9:50 You keep talking in generalities and ignore salient facts. As such I must keep reminding you, which is time consuming. So I will refer you to previous posts, since you have a faulty memory, or more likely choose to ignore pertinent information. Now go back and read other posts, like 7:26. The mayor is giving pay raises to other unions with very few concessions. The police department has given concessions. These are FACTS not opinions.

Now, why should the police not receive the same pay raises of other departments? I don't even know why I'm asking you, because you'll just respond with conjecture and you will ignore the two facts I just presented. Now, don't skirt around the facts, respond and try to justify your point of view. If you don't, it means you can't, and you are a big fat FRAUD!!

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