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Wednesday, December 15, 2010

Aurora Taxdollars on Fire | Follow the Money



(Note:  For optimum viewing of this post, please click on the "fire" video above by Jimi Hendrix, then read below)

As taxpayers are being asked to consider a proposed tax increase to pay for spending, pensions, salaries and benefits, viewers have been asking important questions about where the current money has been spent.

The Aurora Fire Department is one of those areas where your taxdollars are spent.  Here is a sample of year-to-date (YTD) salaries for 2010 of just some of the management of the Aurora Fire Department, not including the most recent pay period, stipends, bonuses or other compensation that are not part of the regular salary.



101 comments:

Anonymous said...

6 FIGURES ???? WHY ALL THE MIDDLE-MANAGEMENT PEOPLE IN THE FIRE DEPT.??????IS AURORA ON VERGE OF A MAJOR FIRE THAT WILL THE ENTIRE TOWN??????GUYS, IT'S TIME TO GET REAL AND TAKE A SERIOUS CUT. TRY SCRAPING BY ON 12.00 AN HOUR LIKE I DO.......THE ECONOMY SUCKS.....THE BOOM-TOWN DAYS ARE OVER.

Anonymous said...

People who work for the Aurora Fire Dept. and the Aurora Police Dept. drive into town from their nice homes outside Aurora and they take and take and take. When they don't get their way they call up some Chicago TV stations and tell them about some staged protest that might make good news fodder on a slow news day. The candy store is about to shut down and it's long overdue.

Anonymous said...

I find it bizarre that so many people are making so much money. Who allowed this to happen?

Anonymous said...

Does this include benefits? Insurance, retirement, 401K, education etc.

Anonymous said...

Openline, how dare you post people salaries and is no ones business. Why don't you post your salary. I hope one or more of these firemen sues your ass and brings this website down to its knees.

Anonymous said...

Congrats Openline, you exposed that firemen are getting paid what the City Council agreed to years ago in meetings open to the public. What you forgot to mention is that about 4.5% of this was given back. Filing a FOIA for information that is already known to the public is really some hard hitting investigative reporting! I hope you don't expect these guys to feel bad for getting paid the going wage for comparable cities...but the Hendrix song was a nice touch!

Ralph said...

I live in Aurora as well as many other retired Officers, where an active duty Officers live is their choice, when I call 911 I want an Officer or Fireman that knows what he is doing. When called to the scene of an accident with Injuries and I or a family member needs to go to the hospital I want a trained paramedic to respond.When my home in Aurora is on fire and a firemen rushes in to save me or a family member I want a trained fireman and not a $5.00 wonder.

Mr. Mayor please sit down with the men and women of the Police Department and fire Department and work out a way to save the Officers.

Sgt. Ralph (retired)

Anonymous said...

Unbelievable. I'm so disgusted with our city gov't and how DARE they ask for a tax rate increase!

If any city council member votes for this budget and tax rate increase, they should be impeached!!!

Anonymous said...

The salaries of public employees is PUBLIC INFORMATION.

Mayor Weisner has been buddies with the firefighter union at our expense.

He's taking away 8 patrol officers from the streets, but we have all these upper management fire staff that are burning our money.

Anonymous said...

The figures do not include Benefits.
*For example the cost to the city for Insurance (HugeCost Factor)
*$400 recert bonus for medics
*Shift leaders $1170 year
*Team Leaders $1430 per year
*Special teams, Haz Mat, Scuba, TRT, Arson, Juvenile Fire-setters $910 Yearly
*Alternative Language $50.00 per pay period
*Assoc Degree $250 Yearly
* Bachelors degree $500. Yearly
*Health Club Memberships $450.00 Yearly
*Comprehensive medical exams (cost to city) this is pretty extensive, huge cost factor.
*Clothing shoes, belts, ties, t-shirts, jackets, sweaters, pants turn out gear X2 etc. Huge cost to taxpayers
*Along with paying for all their cloths and turnout gear and replacing them for free they receive a extra $600 yearly clothing stipend. (City does not pay for socks, or underwear.)

Here is another stipend that is included, Longevity pay
10 Years 1.0%
15 Years 1.5 %
20 Years 2.0%
25 Years 2.5 %
So when you give a 3% raise it is a 5 % for a 20 year guy
*And in 2003 in the second year of the contract the city gave a 9.95% raise then you through in the Longevity pay formulas.

AND MY FAVORITE 180 PAID CALENDAR SICK DAYS A YEAR. THIS INCLUDES TO CARE FOR FAMILY MEMBERS ALSO. SPOUSE,CHILD, OR PARENTS

Anonymous said...

Didn't the Fire Union support Wiesner and give him money.

The best investment one can make.

Anonymous said...

Great job on getting the informtion.

Next get a list of the city hall executives and managers and also include a list of firefighters as well as the police management and patrol officers? Include the overtime pay.

This would be an outsdanding public service at the year end when annual information is available. Include actual wages, not just wage schedules.

Anonymous said...

YEAH LETS SEE A LIST OF THE POLICEMENS MONEY I BET THAT IS EVEN HIGHER THEN THIS

Anonymous said...

This is even worse than I suspected. I always knew these people were the main cause of high budgets but I never suspected just how high. Talk about more chiefs than Indians. This is a perfect example. So glad I had the opportunity to leave that god forsaken shithole of GREEDY UNION THUGS who continually rape the taxpayer and the moron politicians who help them. This looks like the old soviet union. And this too will go broke.

Anonymous said...

10 to 12 million and it doesn't even get to the real workers below them.

Anonymous said...

Jeese thats one executive position for every 2000 citizens. I sure feel safe now.

Anonymous said...

Kind of looks like a good ol white boys club to me.

Anonymous said...

No wonder so many people want to work for the government.

Anonymous said...

12/14 7:10

You did! We all did. IF you didn't vote or even if you did. By not holding the thieves like the mayor and city council accountable we all allowed this to happen.

Had enough already? Vote em out, But torches and pitchforks work well too.

Anonymous said...

the cost of government is out of control.

why do we have so many upper management of the fire department???

there better NOT be a tax rate increase.

Anonymous said...

each of these salaries is a problem for taxpayers, but even worse, they are all going to get these luxury pensions for the rest of their lives at your expense, long after they are gone from employment. You pay now, pay later and keep paying.

as long as elected officials keep raiding the bank accounts of taxpayers, this will not stop. the city wants to raise the property tax rate to keep spending instead of SOLVING THE PROBLEM.

As a taxpayer, I will not tolerate it. I will move both my family and my tax-generating business out of Aurora if this tax rate increase passes. We already are paying over twice the amount for city services than Naperville.

Anonymous said...

In defense of the luxury salaries for the fire department, I would only point out that if you look at most of downtown Aurora and the east side, it mostly looks like crap and probably could go up in flames. I say we just do a big Aurora bonfire, get rid of all these old buildings, clear some land for development and then we don't need so many chiefs. Let's make these guys actually work for their living. Most of the fire brass has side incomes because they have so much time on their hands.

Anonymous said...

city council is going to vote on the tax increase next Tuesday.

make sure your alderman understands they better vote no.

Anonymous said...

Thats alot of supervision. Who is left to fight Aurora's few fires. If this was Chicago, I could see all the big money. But Aurora??? When was the last BIG fire, 5-6 years ago??. This looks like a case of too many chiefs and not enough indians. What is the supervision ratio here??

Anonymous said...

Well, the mayor picked a fight, and he got one. Much more information to come, I'm sure. He was one of the least diplomatic politician I have ever seen. He could have got a lot accomplished by accepting alterante concessions etc. But, he chose the my way or the high-way approach; which shut down talks. Then he posted half truths in the paper. And now, the fall out. A battle that will take shots at everyone....including the mayor and his staff.

Once again....nice job dumbass!

Anonymous said...

hey 4:02, i hope you realize what happens when you insult the bearded leader. according to today's fish wrap he fires not only people in the public sector, but the private sector as well. i didn't think even god had that authority.

Ralph said...

When was the last time any of you anonymouse talked to, or sent a letter to you representative in Springfield reference to pension.

I have.

Mr Mayor, please stop the layoff of the eight Police Officers and let not get into a war of words that you can not win, It can and will get dirty.

There are a lot of areas that can be cut out of the budget to allow you to keep the eight Officers.

Where are the alderman during these times.

Sgt. Ralph (retired)

Anonymous said...

If I was on the Fire Dept. I wouldn't want the taxpayers, the people who pay me, to know exactly how much I was taking from them. I'll give the Fire dept. Union for being clever and devious enough to concoct such an elaborate system of luxury jobs at taxpayer expense. But the cat is out of the bag and it's time to turn in the luxuries for a reality check.

Anonymous said...

The Police Union had the choice of saving those eight jobs. But that's not what they choose. They were more interested in calling up Channel 7 News and getting on TV for 3 minutes. The APD Union doesn't give a god-damn about how much Aurora taxpayers have to shell out for luxury union Jobs. They're like a stray cat that keeps coming around begging for more. Enough of their greed and belligerence

Anonymous said...

Sounds like the regally paid Police are feeling the heat and trying to deflect some on to others. If I were you Mr. PohPoh, I'd be sweating right now waiting to see if the blog is going to post your name from the police list, which is worse than the Fire Department. We taxpayers aren't stupid, we can go to the city website, look up the proposed budget and find where the APD is listed. Not easy to find, but when you do the math and divide the salaries lines by the head counts, police make more than anybody there at the city. I get really tired of hearing how strong and brave the police and how they deserve to make 100k a year. I say lay 'em all off, I don't think the city would have a problem hiring 300 returning Iraq/Afganistan vets to patrol the streets. Those vets are certainly braver and stronger and better trained than any of you meatheads, and they know what service is, and worked for a lot less than you make and were in a lot more danger than you are.

Anonymous said...

If every taxpayer in Aurora had access to this AFD Payroll figures, then I would venture to say that at least 90% of them would strongly say the amount being paid out is way too much. About 10% would say it's fair. Would anyone beg to differ with my percentages?

Anonymous said...

It seems to me that the openline is correct in publishing the salaries of those individuals who serve our community. However, I think it would be better served if they also publish the names of all the individuals the members of the fire and police departments have saved or helped over the years. my question to all of you is: how much is the lives of your children, your wife or husband, or your parents worth? no one seems to complain about the sports "heroes" that get paid millions of dollars to play a game. They do complain about people who put their lives on the line EVERY DAY. Truth be told, I think that public servants that risk their lives SHOULD be the highest paid individuals in the country including police, fire and military. I'm sure if the individual who published the salary information was able to, he would gladly take a position with any of those organizations. Maybe he is unable because of a past criminal conviction, or other petty reasons. My response to all of you is this: my family and friends are worth ANY amount to protect 24 hours a day,7 days a week, 365 days a year! To the members of the Aurora Fire Department, the Aurora Police Department, and the United States Military I say "Thank you, you are all heroes in my book! Keep up the good work and God Bless each and every one of you!"

Anonymous said...

Has openline pulled comps from Rlgin, Joliet, Rockford or other similar cities to see if these salaries are out of line? No, because you would see they are not and it would take away the impact of this so called expose. Is this TMZ or openline? If this site would offer complete information maybe it would have some validity.

Anonymous said...

I have an idea. All Fire man are paid $30,000 per year if you actrually go to a fire you get a bonus. if you save a life you get $20,000.00 bonus. I bet most would only earn $30,000.00

Anonymous said...

I have an idea. All Fire man are paid $30,000 per year if you actrually go to a fire you get a bonus. if you save a life you get $20,000.00 bonus. I bet most would only earn $30,000.00

Anonymous said...

How about this? They keep earning what they make, but pay into S.S. like everyone else. For a pension they could have a 401k. It is the pension that is making us broke. They should also have to pay for their health benefits or contribute something for their health benefits.

Anonymous said...

9:39PM Well said and Thank You!

Ralph said...

How about over $400.00 per month for Hospitalization for myself and wife. For the anonymouse who thinks we should at least pay some of our hospitalization. And the wife does not use it.

I really would like to see you take a cut in wages, knowing that your company president or C.E.O. is making millions.

quit hiding behind anonymous. I have feeling that these post are from people in city hall who wants to keep things stirred up with the citizen of Aurora.

I retired 12 years ago and do not know any of the Officers laid off, Nor do I know very Many of the active Officers, but if needed they know what to do, both Police Officers and Firemen.

Think about your Family being involved in an accident, do you want an untrained person responding or someone who knows what they are doing.

Sgt. Ralph (retired)

Anonymous said...

Openline, how dare you post people salaries and is no ones business. OH YES IT IS, AS LONG AS THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING YOUR WAGES, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTING...GET IT! Dont like that, find another job. I want to see the saleries of Tom Wiesners assitants and CEOs in City Hall next...bet there overpaid too!

Anonymous said...

Look at the Beacon this morning, highest pensions are from school district employees. Why didn't the person who provided the fire salaries to openline also provide teachers salaries, benefits and schedules?

Anonymous said...

Teacher and staff salaries are available on line. I beleive from the state recods by district. Try a google. Had the address years ago but no one interested then.

Anonymous said...

Why do first responders feel that they should be immune from the current economic situation? Virtually everyone else in the US is taking a pay hit, and you guys refuse to accept that the world is a changing place. I love the "Hey compare us to Elgin, Joliet...." etc. etc. If you read the papers, they are saying the same thing. Its like you guys are reading a script provided by the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police. You guys take your salaries to arbitration, get awarded, then Joliet police use you as the comparable, get awarded, then Elgin use Joliet as a comparable, get awarded, then its your turn again. The escalator always goes up for you guys. Time for the vicious circle to end. As a taxpayer, I'm tired of funding your lifestyle.

Anonymous said...

Where are the police wages?

Anonymous said...

FYI - Lieutenants and Captains work on the trucks and respond to fire calls. They are not just "managers" They are lead workers who report to fire calls and do fight fires.

Anonymous said...

What Fires? How many do we have in Aurora?

Ralph said...

The Aurora Fire Department answers a lot of calls, When you put together Fire and Ambulance call they do a great job.

Years ago it used to be that the Police desk Officer would jump into the Ambulance and respond to the call.

I watched as the Aurora Fire Department took over the Ambulance service in Aurora, training and service to the public went hand in hand. I remember the nurse who trained the first paramedic's.

for all of you anonymouse's who want to take away this service from the Aurora Public you will have one fight on your hands.

Thank you past and present Mayors of the City of Aurora Illinois for an out standing Fire and Police Department's.

Sgt. Ralph (retired)

Anonymous said...

Openline, don't you dare post anymore salaries of public employees. You are violating Right of Privacy laws and subject to litigation procedures.

An attorney.

Ralph said...

Lets leave the Police and Firemen alone and go after the real reason we all read this blog.

Dan F/ I know you have your time in.

cary E/ I'm not sure of

In stead of telling them what to say , Let the Mayor and the chiefs speak for them self.

I know Police Chief Thomas, and his staff, they are well educated ,and can speak for them self.

Mr. Mayor before this blog get dirty Please sit down with the men and women of each department and work out the problems. That's what we elected you for. Alderman, I know that you are in the background working with both departments, please continue to do so.

Sgt Ralph (retired)

Anonymous said...

When you put together Fire and Ambulance call they do a great job.

You mean to tell me the police and fire cant do there jobs for less than 150.000 a year? Give me a f--kin break!!! I plow and salt the streets for only 60.000 a year, why cant you do your job for the same price? There right about one thing in here...too many chiefs...not enough indians!

Anonymous said...

I know Police Chief Thomas, and his staff, they are well educated ,and can speak for them self.

Yea Il bet they are, but does that mean they are better than all other citizens in Aurora? Are they realy worth all the money they take? Now whos robbing who here? They cant even give out parking violations after a 2 in snowstorm..

Anonymous said...

To all you Police Union types who come on this blog and use it for your thinly veiled threats: You folks don't intimidate anyone in this town. As far as I'm concerned you can take threats and sorry asses somewhere else. If you don't like your luxurious contract in Aurora then work somewhere else. You're a bunch of spoiled rotten crybabies when you don't get your way you start acting like thug-wannabes. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

The Central Scrutinizer said...

God Bless the Aurora Fire Department.
God Bless the Aurora Police Department.

Anonymous said...

Greedy Union Thugs all.

Anonymous said...

You would think that after the Dave Stover Candy Store Contract and the New Police Palace for 120 million that the folks over there would be somewhat content and happy with their job situation. But apparently they're not. They're bitching and moaning about how bad off they are. And it's always someone else's fault.

Anonymous said...

why does Aurora still have a Fire Marshal,every other town has eliminated that position.

Anonymous said...

Firefighters back Weisner
By Beacon Blog on March 26, 2009 2:25 PM | No Comments | No TrackBacks
BY DAN CAMPANA

This just in to Beacon Election Central ...

For Immediate Release: Thursday, March 26, 2009

Aurora Firefighters Local 99 Endorse Mayor Tom Weisner

Aurora, IL - Today, Friends of Tom Weisner announced that Mayor Tom Weisner received the endorsement of Aurora Firefighters Local 99.

"I am honored to once again have the support of Aurora's fire fighters," said Mayor Tom Weisner. "Our firefighters are on the front lines every day ensuring our safety, and I am proud to stand with them as we work together to build a better Aurora."

In their endorsement letter, President of Aurora Firefighters Local #99 Toby Gill said, "You have proven to us through your continued support of Local #99 and the Aurora Fire Department that you are the right choice to lead the City of Aurora."

Gill added "...you and your staff have always worked with us in a fair and objective manner. We appreciate the fact that your door is always opened to us when needed."

Anonymous said...

Where are the police wages?

Why just the fire deparetment?

Openline, put it all out there including city hall managers.

Anonymous said...

AFD backs Weisner, APD backs Lawrence, blog backs Lawrence, so blog cannot embarass APD, but has to slam AFD. It's simple, really.

Anonymous said...

When are you people going to wake up. The only thing Tom wants is a pound of flesh from because they refused to endorse him. He begged the former mayor and a retired police sergeant to talk to APPO to endorse him. Both told him that APPO felt he was anti-police and he would never give them a fair shake.
Tom hates to lose so he now makes it a point of screwing with the police every chance he gets.
This is about power and nothing else.

Anonymous said...

Last post should have read "pound of flesh from the police department".
Sorry

Anonymous said...

11:36am you won't see anymore listing of city employees wages. Openline has been warned about publishing salaries for fear of lawsuits, shutting down their website and exposing their identity.

Anonymous said...

Wow my comment was removed?

Mr. Observer

Anonymous said...

I have read some comments here regarding the Mayor supposedly not liking the Aurora Police dept. very much.....Well if that were true, then why would the Mayor spend 120 million dollars on a new Police Station?? If he REALLY hated the Police Dept. he would have left them in that outdated dump of a building on River St.......Beware of Union Propaganda on this website. Some of these guys have studied the ways of Joseph Goebells.

Anonymous said...

The 3:34 PM comment is laughable. Ever heard of the Freedom of Information Act?

Anonymous said...

Aurora's BRAVEST do contribute to their health care and also contribute to their pensions. They must stay up to date on the ever changing dangers of the world. Not only do they fight fires, but they are exposed to sick and injured people. Would any of you want to come in contact with people who have AIDS, TB, the flu and everything else out there, on a daily basis. Then have to go home and be around your wife and kids. Or how many of you could deal with seeing and handling dead people, sometimes small children? These guys are willing to give up their lives and ripping their families lives apart to protect OUR lives and property. One more thing, when the mayor asked them to give concessions last year they did! And they are currently talking with the city now for 2011.

Anonymous said...

6:50 PM...ever heard of "The Right of Privacy Act"?
How about publishing your salary, that would probably be laughable too.

Anonymous said...

I'm not being paid by the taxpayers. The public needs how much they are paying out to the Unions that don't want that information published for fairly previous reasons.

Anonymous said...

"previous" should be "obvious" sorry :)

Anonymous said...

Why shouldn't the men and women who protect us earn the wages and benefits they do? Since when isn't someone who risks their life and safety for others not worth their wage? What price do you put on your families' safety? I want the best protection I can get. Money spent on public safety is money well spent.

Anonymous said...

What ever happened to the firefighter who ripped off the firefighter's union? Has he paid them back yet? if we're going to talk negative about firefighters, lets talk about the one who is a convicted thief. It's pretty backwards that we're hammering the ones who go to work and legitimately protect us.

Anonymous said...

Patrick Stiles
Plea Retraction Denied, Illinois Boss Starts Jail Term $275,000 Theft
Submitted by Michael Nelson on Sun, 06/09/2002 - 23:00

A former Aurora, Ill. union boss began serving a two-year prison term on May 29 after a Kane County (Ill.) Circuit Court judge denied his motion to withdraw a guilty plea made in connection with the embezzlements from the Aurora Firefighters Local 99 and its employee benefit fund. Judge Donald C. Hudson ordered that Patrick Stiles immediately be taken into custody to start serving the prison term that was agreed upon in the plea deal that led to his conviction for felony theft. Stiles' attorney, Philip Collins III, said he was not sure whether Stiles would appeal the verdict, because Stiles could be on parole within a year. He also will be eligible for a work-release program, Collins said.

Anonymous said...

If I was on the Fire Dept. I wouldn't want the taxpayers, the people who pay me, to know exactly how much I was taking from them.<
WHY? What are you firemen trying to hide? You dont think the general public should know how much you make? Did I miss something here? The public are the taxpayers who foot the bill for your job...THEY SHOULD HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT YOU MAKE...THERE THE ONES PAYING FOR IT!

Anonymous said...

6:50 PM...ever heard of "The Right of Privacy Act"?
WHEN YOU ARE PAID BY THE TAXPAYERS....IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH MONEY THE POLICE AND FIRE AND ALL OTHER PUBLIC WORKERS ARE EARNING...GET IT THROUGH YOUR DUMB SKULLS! or as some of us would like to say...GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS!

Anonymous said...

give the salary but why post full names including middle initials? with identity theft i wouldn't want my info posted.

Anonymous said...

I would like to thank the Aurora Fire Dept. Union for ripping off the Aurora taxpayer with your clever largely undetected scheme. You make extravagent salaries, the payroll is fat with uneccessary upper-management positions, and now your mad that the truth has finally come out. "You want answers"......"I want the TRUTH"...."You can't handle the TRUTH!!!

Anonymous said...

The answers that most of us want is the list of the MAYOR'S staff and THEIR salaries. If I had the choice between all these fire chiefs and all the mayor's spokespersons, and all the fancy titles Weisner rewarded his bloated staff with as an excuse for giving them huge raises (paid for by the city employees who agreed to concessions last year), I'd take the fire chiefs or police officers any day. A true leader never asks the troops to do something he's not willing to do himself. THE VERY FIRST CUTS IN SALARY, AND LAYOFFS, SHOULD COME IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND STAFF. Instead, when he does shut down a department, all he does is shift the highest paid people in that department (cronies he appointed in the first place) to another department and job that he created as an excuse to keep his crony on the city payroll. As others above have, I call on openline to finally show some courage and do a FOIA request and post the names, titles, and salaries of the Mayor's staff. Forget trying to embarass the people putting their lives on the line for us, let's focus FIRST on the TRUE deadweight.

Anonymous said...

Ok, you know the salaries of certain public officials. SO FUCKING WHAT? If you don't like it, what are you going to do about it? NOTHING? You can't lower their salaries if you wanted to. Get over it whiners.

Anonymous said...

Something WILL BE DONE about the Aurora taxpayers hard-earned MONEY being burned up by greedy Police and Fire Unions.The truth is starting to come out about the lavish salaries, the over-time the unbeliveably sweet pension deals, the way over-priced facilities that the largely working-class population has to payout for all well-to-do upper-middle class Police and Fire people who for the most part do not even live in Aurora. They ride into town 5 days and TAKE. If the current administers of Aurora City Government continue to aid and abet the Union schemes then they will be removed from office through elections and someone else will come riding to rescue of Aurora taxpayers. Take a long look and information posted on this website regarding AFP salaries. Does anyone really think that this acceptable to the taxpayers? If you do think it's acceptable then you're probably associated with the Fire Dept. in some way. If you are not associated with the Fire Dept., then it's all a bunch of Union Pork. OINK, OINK.

Anonymous said...

Police and Firemen both are worth twice what they are paid now. I pay taxes live and work for the city of Aurora I have made almost 100k answering your 911 calls. I have worked 16 hour shifts 4 and 5 days a week. I send our fire fighters and police out everyday into calls not a single one of you crying whining idiots would dream of driving to. I listen to them yelling for help on the radio's I hear the stress in their voices when they know their alone on a dangerous call while their back up is still trying to get there. I send them firefighters to help them when they get hurt by the bad guy or break their legs or hands or necks chasing the guy that beat up your son or daughter. I know each and everyone of those officers out there and I know many of the fireman. I challenge you to say that any one of the 155 police officers killed this year were not worth their money. What about the 82 firemen that have lost their lives in the line of duty? It is your job to take care of these men and women as tax payers. If you think you pay too much for someone who is not guaranteed to come home at night to their families every single night they put on a uniform then you are not worth the air you take in. Ill be sure and send you a squad to your parking complaint though and Im sure you will be pissed because its going to take him longer to get to that call but you go ahead and get used to it because with 8 less police officers your going to start waiting for you overpaid police officer.

Anonymous said...

All I can say is how sad I feel for the petty and bitter person that posted the article in the first place. It sounds like "sour grapes" from someone who was let go from a city department. Someone who did not have a problem receiving an annual salary until they were let go. All this salary information is public record and I bet all of the individuals listed are proud that they made the list. Not because of the amount of money they made but because they have been sworn in and made a pledge to keep the citizens of Aurora safe. You see anyone in the public sector; elected officials, fire dept., police dept., military and teachers do it because they have a calling to help people.
In reading the responses I can see that some people have no idea what these people do on an everyday basis. They put their lives on the line everyday they go to work. Yes, maybe there has not been a huge fire in a few years. But maybe that is because the Aurora Fire Dept. is proactive and stays up on the latest fire techniques. They are always receiving additional training or doing drills to keep their skills sharp. They also go around inspecting buildings for fire safety issues or maybe they will go to schools to teach children not to play with matches. All the members are trained with Basic Life Support techniques. When they respond to a fire alarm they don't know if it is going to be a true fire or a false alarm, but they still go.
Yes, it is one fire department but it has many firehouses that have to be staffed, 24 hrs. a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.
When you dial 911 you want to know that you are getting a trained skilled worker that will represent the City of Aurora.
After 9-11, the view of police, firemen, and the military changed for most. It is sad to see that such a catastrophic event had to happen for people to change their views. So it is really heart breaking to see that the writer of the original article is such curmudgeon.

Ralph said...

For all you adonymouse's out there all you say is greedy Police and Fire Unions.

Who are you. I know you are scared of the police if your name becomes known.

I never new one person who took the test for the Police Department and passes it was refused an appointment to the department.

so; who are you. quit hiding behind anonymouse.

I know that some of you work for the department and can not give your name. Let me assure you that there are many retired Officer's working to keep these eight trained Officer's on the street where they belong.

They are the future and growth of the department and future leaders of the department.

As for the 911 Dispatchers. you will someday send a Officer or firemen to a call that they will not go home that night.

This is part of the job, we all know of the risk and accept them. It is not your fault.

To the citizen's of Aurora Please work to save these Officers so that they can save your family.

Sgt Ralph (retired)

Anonymous said...

Firemen also have the highest divorce rate of any profession, a very high rate of cancer (From the work we do, not only from fires but the numerous fumes and chemicals exposed to these them), and an extremely high rate of heart attacks due to the high levels of stress, work overload at fires, and body overheat when incapsulatein their gear and doing their jobs. The average number of years that these guys get to enjoy of retirement atfter 30 years of service.......6 years! How sad. Maybe they get paid what they do because of the stress the are put under, the stress their families have to deal with and only living for 6 years once they leave the job.

Anonymous said...

I don't use my name because I was beaten up by a few rouge APD officers a few years ago.Am I scared of giving my name?...yes. I know you're trying to good. Peace. Out.

Anonymous said...

I have read all of these comments and I have to say as a retired Aurora fireman I am schocked at these salaries. I read about only living 6 years after retirement(guess I should of Died 12 years ago) and dangerous chemicals and this and that. Stop whinning you chose that profession no one forced you. We went to work and fought alot of fires and went homein my time. No complaining no excuses we deserve more. Todays fireman will be lucky to even go into a burning structure once or twice in his career. We would do it once or twice a day for a tenth of these wages. Then you always bring up the Stiles incident. I worked with him for a few years before I left and he was one of the main reasons you got all of those benefits along with Pfeiffer. Then they threw him under the buss to protect yourselves. I still live in Aurora and my tax dollars go toward these wages. Well Mr Weisner and your council wake up.I can't afford these wages on my retirement salary.I joined to help my community not to get rich. Nowadays people join for the money and the fact that there are few fires anymore. Todays fireman would not have lasted in my time.And quit with the we risk our lifes everyday baby talk. Everyone risks thier life everday just driving to work. The last Aurora fireman to die in the line of duty was in 1925.

Anonymous said...

sounds like a bitter retired fireman didn't plan well enough to get out of this shit hole when he retired.

Anonymous said...

Hahahahahaha, does anyone find the last post as funny as I do? That's entertainment.

Anonymous said...

Back in my day we walked to work with bare feet, uphill in the snow everyday...and that's the way we liked it! We didn't need any fancy breathing contraptions, we put our long mustaches in our mouth and filtered the smoke out with them. There was no namby pamby fire proof clothing, we had canvas coats with wool linings which we wore with no clothes underneath just to make us more uncomfortable. We also didn't have any computer machines that told us about the calls we were going to, we went to our 8 fires a day looking at map books...and that's the way we liked it. So all you curent firemen, go change your diapers and quit whining before I put you over my knee and give you what you deserve!

Anonymous said...

7:18...the last aurora fireman to die wasn't in 1925

Anonymous said...

I can't believe there is a firefighter retiree blasting the current firemen. I'm sure when you retired, you were making more than the retirees who went before you. It's called attrition. You can't be foolish enough to forget that.

Anonymous said...

It is now known who the openline blog source is: PAT STILES !!! The FOIA papers are out. Yes, the public has a right to know the fire dept salaries, that's why we have The Freedom of Information Act. Knowing who is behind the FOIA, I'm sure that we can be pretty much guaranteed that the majority of the posters named "Anonymous" are really Pat Stiles himself. The same guy who ripped off the Union and Firefighters Relief Fund. He is a CONVICTED FELON !!!!! Pat is currently back in court trying to explain why he isn't making the court ordered payments required of him, and could be headed back to jail. Great timing Pat. I would also suspect that the "retired firefighter" posting on this blog is the father of Pat's current attorney. What credibility can we attach to him or this very blog??

Anonymous said...

You don't know what you're talking about. Quit making up stuff. Look who's calling who Anonymous.... shut up.

Anonymous said...

Patrick Stiles
Plea Retraction Denied, Illinois Boss Starts Jail Term $275,000 Theft
Submitted by Michael Nelson on Sun, 06/09/2002 - 23:00

A former Aurora, Ill. union boss began serving a two-year prison term on May 29 after a Kane County (Ill.) Circuit Court judge denied his motion to withdraw a guilty plea made in connection with the embezzlements from the Aurora Firefighters Local 99 and its employee benefit fund. Judge Donald C. Hudson ordered that Patrick Stiles immediately be taken into custody to start serving the prison term that was agreed upon in the plea deal that led to his conviction for felony theft. Stiles' attorney, Philip Collins III, said he was not sure whether Stiles would appeal the verdict, because Stiles could be on parole within a year. He also will be eligible for a work-release program, Collins said.

Anonymous said...

This post is stupid. It seems like a lot of money, but I suspect firefighters in these positions make comparable pay in nearby cities. Posting these salaries with no context is what makes this blog a BLOG and not well-researched reporting. This post is solely designed for incindiary purposes (lol)--but of course, ma number of short-sighted people have fallen for it, once again.

Anonymous said...

What a shame, less than one week and the haters and bitchers are out of gas. I enjoyed the entertainment while it lasted. So now, after today, why don't you asswipes go ask those two Chicago firemen how all the big money they make is working out for them. Buildings like the one that fell in on them are all over Aurora, so no more bullshit about firefighters not being in danger.

Anonymous said...

When was the last a firefighter was killed while on the Job?

Anonymous said...

Why is it when a firefighter in chicago or new york dies every fire fighter from Aurora to Podunk Iowa tries to jump on the band wagon See, See we do that pay me more. Aurora or any of these other wanna bees couldn't handle working in the Chicago. You should be ashamed to try to capitalize on these mens deaths. Along with comparing yourselves. PATHETIC

Anonymous said...

No one is tryng to capitalize, merely pointing out that it is a dangerous job. So, have you worked a fire with AFD? Have you worked a fire with CFD? If not, you are a blowhard that spews opinionated bullshit to feel better about your own pathetic life. Care to explain how buildings of the same age, construction and condition are somehow more dangerous because they are located in Chicago instead of Aurora? And no, I am not a fireman, just a person who can spot stupidity.

Anonymous said...

Truck Drivers die every day trying to bring food and supplies to us to survive. Firefighting is not even on the top ten most dangerous jobs. But because of the media and small thinking people,who have to have a hero in their life. Do you think the soliders in afganistan or Iraq make the wages and benifits Hell no, Fireman are needed. but they don't risk their lives everday because they don't fight fires everyday.

Anonymous said...

You are quoting injury and death rates per worker per year. Lets wittle that time frame down to injuries and deaths per hour engaged in work. As you point out, they are not always fighting fires while the other occupations are presumably engaged in thier work about 80% of the time. So, if firemen are spending very little time fighting fires as you suggest and they are still number 12 on the latest list, they must be in some outrageous danger during the time they are engaged in fires. Your post really suggests how dangerous the job is. Thanks for clearing it up.

Anonymous said...

No thank you Enstien, you cleared it up more. You say they fall 12 on the list but get paid twice as much as the 11 in front of them. Payroll, benifits and fat pensions courtesy of the american taxpayers. You are real smart you must be a Frieman.

Anonymous said...

No, thank you for another laugh, this one was even better. Who the hell is Enstien and what the hell is a Frieman? Sounds like a law firm...Enstien and Frieman. All this from someone who talks about other "small minded people". Maybe if the firemen aren't busy like you say they can spell check your posts for you, moron.