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Wednesday, July 25, 2012

Community Slams Denise Crosby, Beacon-News and Mavis Bates At Aurora City Council Meeting For Misleading and Malicious Attacks on Neighbors and Alderman Rick Lawrence

After a misleading and fraudulent story was published by Denise Crosby and the Aurora Beacon-News, part of the Sun-Times "so-called news" group attacking neighbors, taxpayers and Alderman Rick Lawrence, various thugs and hacks attempted to take advantage of the situation.

Mavis Bates, who tried to exploit the situation for political gain, announcing she would run for Alderman, got a tremendous reality check on Tuesday night at the Aurora City Council meeting when dozens of residents of the 4th Ward showed up and unanimously blasted Bates, Denise Crosby and the Beacon-News and expressing their strong support for Alderman Lawrence, who explained what actually happened regarding the situation on Downer Place, far different than what the Beacon-News had falsely portrayed.

In fact, the response was so emphatic, according to viewers, Bates was "shaking" and "stunned" at how outraged the community was toward her.

After the meeting, Bates sought out Lawrence in the parking lot and apparently acknowledged she has made a big mistake and asked Lawrence for advice on how to fix the mess.

Lawrence confirmed he spoke to Bates.

Jill Amoni, special contributor, shared the following photo after the meeting:


69 comments:

Anonymous said...

Bates is a pawn for the Mayor he stuck it to Peggy Hicks to support her for Dem Chair. Jennifer Leash is running her campaign in Ward 3 that is why they stuck him on the East Side. Maybe the overcrowding on the East side should become a bigger issue lets see if Tommy gets elected then. Maybe Tommy's neighbors need to know how bad the schools are on the West Side all because of him and his community partners. Look at the horrible schools on both sides of town since the Wiz became mayor.

That what happens when you try to clean up are neighborhoods you get attacked. The wiz needs the low end votes the average everyday Joe once they know this will not vote for him

Lets also compare our services to Naperville and the tax rate as well.

Anonymous said...

It is amazing the amount of propaganda that Rick Lawrence publishes about himself on this blog. Lawrence BROKE THE LAW and should be punished for it. His Hitler like ways need to be stopped.

STOP RACISM & HATE VOTE AGAINST LAWRENCE IN THE NEXT ELECTION.

MAVIS BATES FOR ALDERWOMAN!

Anonymous said...

Mavis Bates for Alderwoman - because the 4th ward needs more low income people.

Anonymous said...

Good job Rick. At least you are making an effort to change this city and help people.

Anonymous said...

Where were all the big mouths that said they were going to get Lawrence?All a bunch of pu--y's. to afraid to stand up and be counted. Poor Mavis left by herself with the jack off and corrupt Chuck Anderson. Wow big talk for a bunch of spineless liberals.

Larry J. Frieders said...

Does Rick Lawrence have a current blog? Can someone please provide the link. I'd like to read it.

ddddc said...

I dont think the residents so much "blasted" Bates. They did all BLAST Denise Crosby and the Beacon News. Crosby was obviously playing defense and kept repeating--What did I print that was wrong. Well Denise-you left your comfort zone of columnist and failed at reporting NEWS which should include all the facts known to you. An omission of the truth is the same as a lie. And you left out a lot of facts that skewed peoples ability to fully understand the situation. I think the best admission of culpability is when you were confronted with the single photo of the house published that was narrowly focused on the house facad and failed to show the utter chaos that was the total property! You then distanced yourself from your own paper and blamed the editors of the B.N. Its YOUR PAPER,YOUR COLUMN. A picture is worth a thousand words. I saw why you omitted factual photos. Do you feel you did anything wrong Denise? I notice the Beacon later included some but not all or best photos that convey the horrible state that house was in. As far as Chuck Anderson- the single person who had clapped after he spoke which started strong but turned flaccid and drifted into silence when it wasn't joined almost made me LAUGH OUT LOUD! As far as Bates, who basically made a timid campaign speech, the absolute pin drop silence, no applause, no clap, nothing, nada, spoke Volumes! She seems like a real nice lady who would be a good neighbor. But she don't seem up to the task of confronting social erosion facing that neighborhood. She does seem like she will be another "yes" vote for the Mayor.

ddddc said...

Oh, and by the way. Lawrence went on too long. Make your point, but don't repeat it two more times. Sometimes Less is more. Write down your point, cover em, don't get to preachy and let everybody go so it doesn't turn into Catholic Mass. He almost had a Father PFlager (Chicago) moment there wih the "healing".

Anonymous said...

I am disappointed in Denise Crosby's story. It appears to be much different than what she portrayed it to be. If mavis Bates took all of her info from the Beacon story then she was misled like the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

The major news picked it up as a "home invasion"... nice..back in the real world though: the people on that block helped the family out- hospital visits when the owner was sick, help with the lawn, etc. The neighbors side is coming, but there are threatened lawsuits from the owner, so don't look for these soon. AFA Bates..she's been prepping for 4th ward alderman, and someone tipped her off this would be a good way to throw her hat in the ring. Unfortunately, aside from trying to worm her way into the hierarchy of the local democratic party for the last 4 years and sitting in with the CoC and Kiwanis etc..she doesn't have a clue as to what is going on, neither in Aurora nor the 4th ward. We'll see if maybe the Dems will send her some Madigan Bux to help elect another brown noser. yea, I know all about "non-partisan" elections.

Anonymous said...

What if the AFA?

Anonymous said...

I think the neighbors owe Rick Lawrence an apology for getting him into this mess. It is stand up of Rick Lawrence not to mention the neighbors names.

Anonymous said...

The neighbors crossed the line when they entered the house and removed property. Good intentions do not justify trespassing even if the doors are unlocked. The claim of public health concerns rings hollow when the items removed included a lawn mower, pictures and other items that do not spoil or rot. The fact are that the neighbors entered a private residence that was vacant and went about looting the place.

The reason that the neighbors have "no comment" for the news media is that there is no justification for removing items from a private residence without permission of proper approval.

Anonymous said...

Personal Message to Rick,
My heart goes out to you and your family. What a sad situation. Most people know you are not a thief and you were just trying to be a good neighbor to your constituents.

I hate trash and filth as much as anyone, especially when you have to look at it near your own house. I know how particular you are about things being clean & neat. Look at your magnificent home, pride of the city. I can see why you jumped in without even thinking clearly. After all this is West Downer Place! It can’t be allowed!

But believe me no one forgives a “bad decision” of this magnitude. It leaves a mark on your record forever that is why at all costs we try to avoid them. I am sorry to say you will always be known as the Neighborhood Home Invader. This is your Chappaquiddick.

Reality is "It is over". Gone is any hope for re-election for anything in this town!

You certainly do not need my advice but if asked I would say, get legal council and go back to being a private citizen immediately. Who needs all of this? Is free medical insurance really worth it? Your family must be mortified!

No one appreciates you in the 4th Ward. All the good you have done is now diminished. You should hear what people are saying. It is not good.

After 8 years of your critical comments, knee jerk reactions, irritating, and irrational personality, let’s just say it, you are not of the “political cloth".

When I saw your constant postings on this blog about one Alderman in particular I often wondered if it would come back to haunt you, I guess it did, BIG TIME.

I seem to remember an intelligent, clear thinking wonderful husband and loving father that came dedicated to help with the Barb Kattermann election many years ago. What happened to that man? Where did he go? I know you try to stand out as an Alderman, but maybe you are loosing your focus.

You can not blame the Beacon News or the mindless news media reporters, they rarely get anything right. Why would this be different?

Godspeed and Safe Journey Rick.... it just was not meant to be!

Anonymous said...

3:36 is clearly an idiot and political hack. And people wonder why we cannot get decent people to serve on the city council. What a cheap shot this is from a low-life.

Ted

Anonymous said...

Ted I could not disagree with you more. It is reality. I thought we had decent people on the city council? I guess not.

Anonymous said...

Ted is clearly an idiot, as there is no 3:36 post. There IS a 3:46 post -- maybe Ted just has a problem with times.

The community hasn't slammed Denise Crosby or the Beacon News, the small minority of the community who attends City Council meetings, which was somewhat enlarged at this latest meeting with Openline-ites and other Rick Lawrence psychophants came out of the woodwork to justify and defend actions which HE HIMSELF ADMITTED WERE WRONG!!! HE said entering the house was a mistake.

I said it on the last post -- if the owners had really left the house in such a health-hazard condition, especially if they did it deliberately as you, Openline, accused them of in your last post, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE COME BACK A WEEK LATER. They'd have stayed in Kansas -- BUT THEY DIDN'T. They came home to collect their belongings and clean up. But it's hard to collect your belongings when your "neighbors" have taken them and either kept them (hidden somewhere) or given them away. And we'll never know how much of the mess in the yard was caused by the owners, and how much by the neighbors going thru everything. And I'm still waiting to see pictures of the health hazards like rotting food, maggots, feces, etc. that Openline CLAIMS existed.

As far as threatened lawsuits, the neighbors won't be commenting publicly because they know they were wrong. They're hiding just like Openline. Openline has made libelous statements -- it would be awesome to see Openline outed and dragged into court.

Anonymous said...

Larry, Lawrence doesn't have a current blog (at least that he takes responsibility for). He had a blog when he temporarily ran for mayor; I think the last post was from 2009. You're reading the closest thing he has to a blog. I don't believe he actually runs Openline, but whoever does follows Lawrence's lead so closely he bumps into him if Lawrence stops suddenly. And Lawrence frequently posts comments on this blog, sometimes identified but often as anonymous.

Anonymous said...

3:46
That is a creepy post.

Anonymous said...

Agreed! 3:46 sounds like a woman who had a crush on Rick and was rejected. Semi-stalkerish.

Anonymous said...

Actually, there could have been a 3:36 post. Comments that the blog admin doesn't care for have been known to be removed (and occasionally comments have been disabled entirely, like with last year's Kifowit "discussion").

Anonymous said...

Rick you shouldn't break into peoples homes anymore... it's not a good political move.

Anonymous said...

8:15 Openline only disables comments when they are coming out overwhelmingly against his viewpoint. This particular post has a mix of comments so probably won't get comments disabled (or see the post shut down entirely. The previous post is more susceptible to that, because the comments were pretty overwhelmingly against the actions of the neighbors and (more importantly) Rick Lawrence.

Anonymous said...

Rick's a POS!!!!!!

ddddc said...

Bottem line is all you anonymous critics has a chance to "stand up and be heard" at the city council metting-face to face. Only one guy had the Juevos to show up! I salute him. (Kudos to Anderson, don't agree with you-but you walk the talk) The rest of you are cowards. Its easy to type from the comfort of your spider hole. Takes a lot more courage to go out there, run for office, win some-loose some, be under the microscope and face the music while standing tall.

Anonymous said...

Rick
I agree with you on your 12:30 PM 7/26 post but what you may or may not know is that asking you to go into a vacant home was staged so others would not be accountable.

Think about it. The heat is off them now. They will not even comment to say they ASKED you to go into that house.

But they are good people, right?

Anonymous said...

So 12:30, if it takes courage to run for office, what does it take to bail out of a race you entered? Rick did the equivalent of a runner stepping off the track when he sees he can't win. Or a football team not coming out of the locker room for the second half because they're behind by so much.

And 2:04 has an outstanding point that I'd missed. You're right -- Rick was set up to take the fall! Those neighbors who entered the house just saying "no comment" are NOT "walking the talk".

Anonymous said...

Wow 6:32 has a Rick fixation. I hope that poster is a woman!

Anonymous said...

12:51 PM
That is a creepy post.

Anonymous said...

If this were any other alderman, Lawrence would be leading the charge to embarrass and humiliate them, using every underhanded tactic imaginable. Now that he finds himself on the side of a bad decision, he can only say that
"certain people" were at fault. What do the readers think of this great admission?

Anonymous said...

You're right 8:50. AND if it were any other Aldermen, Openline's post and position would have been 180 degrees. Instead of defending the actions, Openline would be blasting all the neighbors and the Alderman, and calling for the Alderman's resignation.

Anonymous said...

It's gotta be Kifowit's fault somehow. Maybe SHE'S the one who knew where the key was and opened the door for everybody. (no, that's not it, she doesn't live in that neighborhood) Maybe she threw a brick thru a window and broke in. (no, no mention of somebody literally breaking in, it seems clear that somebody w/ a key opened the door) I don't know, whether she was involved or not, it's gotta be her fault, right Openline?

Anonymous said...

Hey run the lame narcissistic video, maybe that'll take the heat of Lawrence.

Anonymous said...

No, it's the fault of those two other aldermen who have relatives on the AHA Board. They went inside first to certify the place for Section 8 certificates. The suitability of the house for diversification trumped the constitution and right of privacy and property rights. Blame them!

Anonymous said...

It's really those people from Hesses House. They ventured in looking for NyQuil and Vicodin. They had that crock pot and extension cord set up right in the living room getting set to cook it up. Why, if they could break in, couldn't all of us do it too? I mean, monkey see, monkey do.

Anonymous said...

8:36, it has nothing to do with Kifowit, it was a residential home not a whore house.

Anonymous said...

"Everything was fine until I got mixed up with that wide open house on Downer Place."

Is there a pile of bricks in the background of one of those pictures from the back yard?

Looks like two people need a lesson in the Constitution and its liberties as well as its responsibilities!

Anonymous said...

Do 'certain' people also live at Hessed House or are they "those" people?

Anonymous said...

Uh, 2:10, there IS a whorehouse in Aurora. It's at City Hall. It's in the Mayor's office and the city council chambers. They're all whores -- including Rick Lawrence. They ALL take our money and screw us over.

Anonymous said...

I say blame the hot weather this year. The low water level in the Fox River mix resulted in an unusually high percentage of goose excrement residue in the drinking water. Research shows that this material was unduly concentrated in ward 4. Drinking the water on a daily basis can cause humans to act like a unruly gaggle and barge right into temporarily unoccupied homes, even when the rightful owners are flying in a "V" back home. The neighbors got 'goosed' into entering and did it in lockstep.

Anonymous said...

All sense of reason then left as fast as crap through a goose and soon no one was taking responsibility for anything and honking back home.

Anonymous said...

What was the decoy?

Anonymous said...

Crock pot

Anonymous said...

When did most of you out there learn not to go into a vacant house where the owners just departed? Isn't this what the controversy is really all about?

Anonymous said...

I was about five years old when I learned it was wrong.

Anonymous said...

What part of do not go into a private home do you not understand?

Anonymous said...

If the neighbors had legitiment concerns they should have contacted the proper authorities. Calling their alderman before knowing exactly what the sitution was seems pointless at best. The city as well shares blame in perpetuating the situation by authorizing a clean up of the property before at least trying to contact the owner or other responsible party. Rick Lawrence entering the property at the behest of neighnors was wrong, but even worse was was the decision by the Wiseners right hand man Deleon to attempt to politicise the situation by taking questionable if not unlawful action.

Anonymous said...

Jeff Wards article in the Beacon News sums it up. Maybe some of it will rub off to Denise Crosby who sensationalizes. And maybe some will sink into the bleeding heart liberals who are trying to use the entire incident to further their goal of getting rid of Lawrence. I still havn't read a response about what the complainers would do about the Police who entered the house without a warrant and searched it and left? I hear a call to arms about the Alderman, but if my intentions of "protecting" the 4th amendment were genuine, I would think I would be way more concerned with the Police entering my house. But you don't hear that. Thats why I feel they are POLITICLY motivated. And the Police went thru prior to the alderman.

Anonymous said...

Police and inspectors have a right to go inside. Others involved did not.

Anonymous said...

I am still concerned with the "neighbor" who called on Rick to "check out the problem". I think as earlier posters said it was set up.

If I had unwillingly, and with all good intentions, done something like that to ANYONE I would feel that I should shoulder the blame and say so in public. Why not?

Does this person know that he/she has ruined any chance for Rick to run for anything?

What a shame! Rick has done a wonderful job on this city and keeping Weisner in tow.

I appreciate Rick's keeping everyone aware of other Aldermen's poor lack of judgement too!

Anonymous said...

As much as I enjoy Jeff Ward's articles (I've told him a number of times I'm a fan), he's just as guilty of sensationalization as Denise Crosby. It's also quite obvious that on a number of his articles, he's been fed sometimes inaccurate information by Rick Lawrence (even when not quoted by name, Lawrence's style is unmistakable). As for city personnel entering the premises, it would be appropriate for the police to enter an open building, and perhaps to call in inspectors, but then their job would be to SECURE THE BUILDING so no one else (including other city employees like the aldermen, mayor, etc.) could enter. And once notified by the owner that the owner left the building locked, the job of the police is to try to find the individual(s) who broke the law and precipitated this entire situation by using the hidden emergency key to unlock the door. At that point every individual, especially a city employee like Rick Lawrence, has a civic duty to provide the police with statements of everything they witnessed, including a list of everyone they saw entering and exiting the building and what (if anything) they were carrying. Then the police and prosecutors can try to track things back to find the "neighbor" who started all this. The only reason that Lawrence has been getting the most heat is he's the most visible target. He's not the only one who did wrong here -- and he KNOWS he did wrong -- but in the past he's taken so many shots at the rest of the council, the mayor, and probably the paper boy, that he's painted a big bulls eye on his back.

BTW I don't think he should resign, as long as from now on he stays off private property when not invited.

Anonymous said...

OK then, what did the alderman, who should know the answer, tell the neighbors? Was it go home and stay away or there was not problem going inside? How do you know it was a neighbor who started this?

Anonymous said...

From what's been reported both in the Beacon News and on this blog, what the alderman told the people who called him was something like "I'll be right over and I'll call the city to jump right on it w/o following their normal procedures." What he SHOULD have told him was that there are certain procedures the city has to follow and to be patient -- AND TO STAY OUT OF THE HOUSE.

As far as "knowing" a neighbor started this, you're right, since I wasn't there I really don't know for sure it was a neighbor, but it sure is a pretty logical assumption. Neither the Beacon or Openline reported any sign of damage from a break in, and the owner says he left the place locked but there was an emergency key that at least one neighbor knew about. And I'm inclined to believe the owner because he came back. If he'd planned to leave the place totally trashed, he'd have stayed in Kansas. But you're right, I don't know for sure. For all I know, it was Openline who opened up the house to create a story he could "report" on.

Anonymous said...

So much for this story becoming a "national" story. No big press, no "60 minutes". No criminal charges. City council meeting killed all that. Bates has thrown down the Gauntlet! I hope Lawrence reconsiders and KICKS her liberal ass in the next election!

Anonymous said...

To 4:24-I'll stand by my statement(2:10) So-you are saying that the 4th amendment is more important at keeping out a well intentioned Alderman then the Police? You must be a true naive Liberal.

Anonymous said...

12:39 NO, that's not what I said (and I suspect you know that). I'm saying that when called about a situation of an unsecured property, the police have a legitimate and legal duty to investigate the situation to make sure there's no danger to the public, then they have a duty to secure that property until the property owner can get there to take over. The alderman does NOT have that legal duty. The alderman is NOT a member of law enforcement, or of the property standards division, etc. It may be a legitimate use of his office to advocate on behalf of his constituents to act as a liaison to city government on their behalf, but it is NOT appropriate for him to step in and do their jobs -- unless of course he takes ALL the training they take and receive appropriate authorization, to make sure he doesn't exacerbate the situation. Investigating for himself by entering private property w/o the owner's permission is well beyond the alderman's scope of office. The police had legal authority to check out the situation; the alderman didn't.

And this is coming from someone who basically supports Rick Lawrence, and think he does a valuable job on the city council, by holding the other aldermen (and mayor) accountable when they screw up. But fair is fair -- he's on the wrong side on this one.

Anonymous said...

Jeezs. Now your beatin a dead horse. Theres no charges, the family is long gone and aint coming back. Jeff Ward slapped Denise Crosby down and the crowd at the council meeting brushed her off the plate and left blaming her editors for inflamatory journalisem, and Bates and the Beacon were exposed for attempting but failing to exploit the entire situation for political gain.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Rick.

Anonymous said...

Your Welcome Mavis

Anonymous said...

To 10:25-I think you need to re-read Jeff Wards column. I you take Rick at his word he was called there by concerned citizens who told him the property was abandoned and were asking him for help and direction. He assumed the property was abandoned. After investigating and making an evaluation he advised the citizens to stop attempting to help and leave the house, which is what he did. I guess I will leave it to the States Attorneys decision to see who is most right here. I say there will be NO CHARGES filed. I see you didn't deny your a Liberal.

Anonymous said...

12:31 I neither denied nor agreed I was a liberal. I'm an independent, thinking person who refuses to accept an overly-simplistic label. I evaluate each issue, actually THINK (which seems to be in short supply these days), and make an informed decision on my opinion. On any given opinion, some people will say I'm a liberal and some will say I'm a conservative. For example, my statement that I basically support Rick Lawrence (which you seem to have overlooked). To a lot of people in this community that would automatically make me a conservative, yet you call me a liberal.

You and I are in complete agreement on one thing; I also don't think any charges will ever be filed against ANYONE in this case, either the neighbors or the owners. Does this make me a liberal or a conservative?

I am curious, though, whether 9:26 would be talking about "beating a dead horse" if we'd spent this much time discussing this issue if it had happened in exactly the same way in the 3rd ward and the alderman involved was Kifowit? Based on past history in Openline, the slant of the post would have been switched 180 degrees, and they'd be blasting the neighbors, calling for Kifowit's resignation, and praising any candidate who spoke against her actions at a council meeting.

Anonymous said...

On that we are in total agreement. Well said. See you on the next local issue. I don't like when openline tries to dive into the National stuff. Thats covered enough elsewhere. One thing that surprised me on the whole Downer issue was that the Daily Herald sat it out. I wish there were two competing newspapers in this town. The Beacon would be better.

Anonymous said...

12:11 Something else we agree on -- this is supposed to be a local blog, there's already enough (maybe too many?) places for the national stuff. But it does give me great amusement to see Openline try to stir up the national stuff, and his posts just fall on deaf ears and no one comments. He really should open his eyes -- this was a local issue, and BOTH posts on it went over 50 comments.

Anonymous said...

Why does open line have to be a he? It was started by Salles and Salles certainly is not a man.

Anonymous said...

You do have a point. Openline may not be a man. Or male. I believe Salles to be both, because I sent him a nasty-gram e-mail once on something he'd written, and he had the courage and professionalism to respond and explain why he wrote the story the way he did. We still didn't agree in the end, but we had a civil, man-to-man discussion about it. I also think you're wrong about Salles starting Openline. I think the same person is running Openline who always ran it (the obvious bias and writing style is too consistent), and I don't believe Salles would have the time to do that at this point.

Anonymous said...

Salles has been out of it for over 2 years now. He started it with a team of journalist to build their new media credentials when he figured out print was dead in the the long run. It had nothing to do with the writing, rather demonstrating an understanding of the technology and time to market.

Anonymous said...

Hey 12:11, we were right. The Beacon reported today no charges were being filed. Interesting the police/prosecutor aren't filing charges against any of the neighbors because the owner chose not to file, but no mention of why, if there was such a health hazard as claimed by Openline, no charges were filed against the owner.

Anonymous said...

LOL Openline is so transparent when he tries to be sneaky. Notice the flurry of corruption stories about people who haven't been in the news or on Openline in a long time? The totally lame Chicken Dance, etc. videos? We all know why there's a flurry of this stuff lately -- to take up space on the first page, and push these 2 posts that Openline wrote to defend Lawrence to the "Older Posts" pages. And why would he do that? Because so many of the comments were less than totally supportive of Lawrence. Just wanted to make sure you knew we're on to you, Openline.

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